Fantasias are going to get lore now it seems.

[Cleretic]

Set to ruin the rp scene for me, if it changes everything about you. One day you're a lalafel, the second day you feel like being an elezen, now you're a roegadyn. At least glamours are fake illusions, but this one.. wooooh the rp scene is gonna misuse the heck out of it.

I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

[Hallarem]

I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

[Cleretic]

I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

I admit I don't play on Chaos, but I highly doubt that it's such a close-knit and communally-agreed-on space that you're immune from someone just going off the reservation, in large part because they aren't aware of the reservation in the first place. Like, that's not an insult to anyone in any way; it's just a fact of open RP communities like this, you can't actually stop someone from writing whatever they want, because no matter how strong you think these communally-agreed standards are held, there's always gonna be someone who's never read them, or has read them and decided to ignore them. If anything, I suspect you might be in more of a bubble than you think you are just because you think that it's actually possible to enforce those unspoken standards.

Again, if anything this ensures consistency: before this Fantasias were in a nebulous 'they exist and do X but we have no further information', so not even the people who do want to write in Fantasias have any agreement on how they work, how aware people are of them, or how rare/valuable they are. To some it's so treasured that it's some level of sought-after objective, for others it's so miscellaneous that it's just part of a shelf of potions that can be caught up in shenanigans, and that's just in relation to its supposed value.

You can't stop people from having their fun, the people who want to write in Fantasias are always going to write in Fantasias. What this'll do is mean that when two people who independently wrote in Fantasias meet, they'll actually implicitly agree about them, and that'll be great.

[Hallarem]

There's a roleplay discord community for Chaos and Light where most roleplayers hang out, which tends to discuss lore, advertise daily / weekly roleplay roulettes and much more. I don't mean it's enforced, I mean that since it's a general consensus whenever it's discussed or brought up that "Fantasias are not canon" it's handled in a very "Let's try something else or another angle if you want to change your character" in fc's and out in the open from personal experience. If we get down to semantics, sure, every community is a bubble in the end. You are in a bubble, I am in a bubble. Anyone can do anything in roleplay, hell I've been in events where people have been playing Ryne and Y'shtola, and just played it like it landed and took it as a fun experience while never referencing it happened after because I thought it was kinda silly. You can't enforce anything except within a community / FC / roleplay group / roleplay event that you lead. But if you turn up as an "Ascian Thriceborn Allagan tank commander" you rarely get embraced and agreed with on your choice if you go extremely off the wall, lore can be bent, its necessary for events and fun but outright breaking it tends to be shunned. I'm just talking on my observations in the general community, roulette spaces, various FC's and so forth.

I just disagree that bringing in Fantasia into being an actual canon thing will be good for the overall roleplay vibe, it bites away at any sense of uniqueness, flaws and the journey your character has done if you can just shift to whatever you want by chugging a potion. It being an artifact level potion that can't be just bought at your local apothecary might make it more digestable though. You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. If it becomes actual canon, then there's nothing about it. Just gotta play it how it lands, but personally if it goes out of control, hugely offputting as a concept and possibly a dealbreaker for me.

I am suspected of "not spending much time in the rp community" and "being in bit more of a bubble than I think" let's try and make the next post without directly referencing to me and suspecting of how I go about my day, and talk about the point instead. Third time the charm? Thank you~

[Cleretic]

There's a roleplay discord community for Chaos and Light where most roleplayers hang out, which tends to discuss lore, advertise daily / weekly roleplay roulettes and much more. I don't mean it's enforced, I mean that since it's a general consensus whenever it's discussed or brought up that "Fantasias are not canon" it's handled in a very "Let's try something else or another angle if you want to change your character" in fc's and out in the open from personal experience.

Crystal also has a roleplaying discord--multiple, actually--and I'm under no illusions that your average joe is in there or have read any of them (And those discords definitely don't have any illusions that they can carry any weight at all in actual RP). Honestly, a discord is basically the embodiment of a bubble community; it feels all-encompassing when you're in it, but all it takes is to go slightly outside of it and suddenly every communal agreement you thought was universal is out the window. I'm sorry for assuming you had no experience, but I think it's important to recognize you don't have universal experience.

Take a moment to step outside of that bubble, and think about this from the perspective of someone who wants to use a Fantasia in their story but isn't sure how to, rather than from the perspective of a community that decided without their input that they can't.

Not sure why Fantasias is what breaks the camel's back when we know there's actual plastic surgery and cloning. Let alone bioengineering. At least when it comes down to rp.

Yeah, if anything plastic surgery was the more surprising and difficult to square thing. With Garlemald tech in approximately the era of the World Wars, and with no magical aid basically by definition, it's surprising that they have plastic surgery so good that you can make someone look exactly like someone else. We can't even do that in 2024! Was that always an option? Is that an option for us?

Granted, plastic surgery that perfect is a cornerstone of certain types of fiction that Werlyt was very much playing near.

[Hallarem]

Mission failed successfully, apologizing for assuming and then assuming in the next sentence. I'm not a suit to be fought, nobody can enforce on anyones roleplay beyond not welcoming them in a community if they start wilding out with crazy ideas that are lorebreaking or otherwise "impossible" for a regular joe to pull off, my opinion doesn't matter beyond it being my opinion. Anyone can play a three-headed dragon for all I care, or be an allagan plastic surgeon who survived and happens to be a clone of the emperor.

Yeah, I am thinking at it from the perspective of someone who wants to do it...aaaand.. they can do it right now if they want to, who cares, roleplay how you want, the opinions of others don't matter if you find the right people to vibe with and they agree with your roleplay. All I'm saying is if it becomes more prevalent and actual canon, and easy to access in lore, it will bite at the very foundation of roleplay. Your character being unique. Bio-engineering and cloning isn't exactly accessible to the regular joe either, so I don't know why this was brought up, that's allagan level stuff. Plastic surgery and fantasia aren't even in the same category in terms of impact. Like I said, IF they make fantasia canon, I hope they make it extra super giga rare. That's mildly acceptable to ME.

I'm outie 5000 from this thread o/ Don't think I can read another "You seem like the type of person who doesn't sort their garbage in different bins... Just a guess. By the way you type, you seem like a "paper goes in the plastic" type of guy."