Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ASkellington]

While I do enjoy the rush of week 1 healing because I enjoy building a healing cooldown spreadsheet for each fight, I've come to the conclusion that joining a group to have fun for 1 week just to be bored for 7 more weeks in reclears is just not worth it unless the group itself is full of fun people, but it's the group that's fun at that point, not the job gameplay or the content.

Endwalker was a wake up call for every other role as to how boring their gameplay could become, but as a healer main, I've been burned out since ShB. I think most of us who mained healer for a long time won't bother with another 2.5 years of this job design and we'll mostly be swapping off healer or quitting raiding (or the game) entirely.

SGE changes may interest me providing SE actually increases damage frequency as far as healing goes, but I'm pretty sure Picto is gonna make or break whether or not I stay. GNB is fun on occassion, but tanking's about as boring as healing with a better rotation.

I have 0 hopes for AST going into 7.0 and have an even worse outlook on w/e "overhaul" they may be having in 8.0.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Part of me having that little hopium of them changing their mind to change SCH's new 2nd DoT into the 6th Aetherflow spender with 30-45s cooldown as a bandaid change.

That's never going to happen, obviously. We're not allowed to make mistakes and that's that You will dance to the encounter and you will like it!

[ty_taurus]

Can’t wait to see this thread reach page 800 in 2.5 years where we await the reveal of this 8.0 job identity revamp that we will hear radio silence about until 1.5 months before the next expansion drops.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Can’t wait to see this thread reach page 800 in 2.5 years where we await the reveal of this 8.0 job identity revamp that we will hear radio silence about until 1.5 months before the next expansion drops.

That has to be my biggest gripe with how they handle expansion leadups. Why the pan fried hell do they wait until six weeks before launch to talk about gameplay? You know gameplay, the entire reason people play games? They treat it like an afterthought as far as marketing is concerned. They should be openly discussing job changes for months and months before an expansion launch, not a few weeks.

[Supersnow845]

Why every expansion do we know the date the media tour ends but not the date the embargo lifts

We know the useless information but not the useful information

[ForsakenRoe]

The worst part about their process is that the Media Tour happens so close to release, that not only is the build demonstrated AT the Media Tour already out of date, but any feedback that could be given from the Media Tour going public (ie the Embargo is lifted) is far too late to actually act on. I remember that at the SHB Media Tour, GNB's Sonic Break was a total of 300p, less potency than parts of its 123 combo. When asked about it, the response was apparently 'Yes, it's not like that in the current build, it's much higher potency so it will be worth using'. And true enough, it was 900 on launch. So why is the Media Tour using older builds that are a couple months out of date? A week or so, I could understand, but over a month makes it 'not representative of final product' to an alarming degree.

It also doesn't help when the first reveal of any potential 'rework' happens a whole two months before the release of the product, meaning that if the rework isn't received well (eg, the traditional once-per-expansion AST rework), there's no time to actually do anything about it on a 'functionality' level. The Card system shown is what we're stuck with. They can adjust small parts like cooldowns or potencies to 'band aid' fix it, but a full overhaul just isn't 'in the cards' (ha) until 8.0. Hell, they acknowledged that AST was in such a state that it required a rework, but couldn't even add a second charge to Lightspeed for the whole of 6.X to alleviate the issues!

Hopefully they actually do have smaller hitboxes for bosses in 7.X, and positioning the boss in the arena correctly is an aspect of tanking that gets brought back. Maybe that'd help Tanks feel more like Tanks, instead of just being 'Blue DPS that are hard to kill'

That has to be my biggest gripe with how they handle expansion leadups. Why the pan fried hell do they wait until six weeks before launch to talk about gameplay? You know gameplay, the entire reason people play games? They treat it like an afterthought as far as marketing is concerned. They should be openly discussing job changes for months and months before an expansion launch, not a few weeks.

Hate to make the comparison, but WOW's been showing their WIP Hero Talents system for the new expansion for months now, and even letting players PLAY the systems via the PTR, allowing the players to actually experience the classes, to give precise feedback

[Niroken]

It also doesn't help when the first reveal of any potential 'rework' happens a whole two months before the release of the product, meaning that if the rework isn't received well (eg, the traditional once-per-expansion AST rework), there's no time to actually do anything about it on a 'functionality' level.

Considering that there is usually some functional issue with WHM per expansion, they either don't care, don't properly test or don't have the necessary staff with knowledge of the role to deal with the issue far in advance. The fact that after over a decade we still have Freecure, all of the above.

[Valence]

The worst part about their process is that the Media Tour happens so close to release, that not only is the build demonstrated AT the Media Tour already out of date, but any feedback that could be given from the Media Tour going public (ie the Embargo is lifted) is far too late to actually act on. I remember that at the SHB Media Tour, GNB's Sonic Break was a total of 300p, less potency than parts of its 123 combo. When asked about it, the response was apparently 'Yes, it's not like that in the current build, it's much higher potency so it will be worth using'. And true enough, it was 900 on launch. So why is the Media Tour using older builds that are a couple months out of date? A week or so, I could understand, but over a month makes it 'not representative of final product' to an alarming degree.

It also doesn't help when the first reveal of any potential 'rework' happens a whole two months before the release of the product, meaning that if the rework isn't received well (eg, the traditional once-per-expansion AST rework), there's no time to actually do anything about it on a 'functionality' level. The Card system shown is what we're stuck with. They can adjust small parts like cooldowns or potencies to 'band aid' fix it, but a full overhaul just isn't 'in the cards' (ha) until 8.0. Hell, they acknowledged that AST was in such a state that it required a rework, but couldn't even add a second charge to Lightspeed for the whole of 6.X to alleviate the issues!

Hopefully they actually do have smaller hitboxes for bosses in 7.X, and positioning the boss in the arena correctly is an aspect of tanking that gets brought back. Maybe that'd help Tanks feel more like Tanks, instead of just being 'Blue DPS that are hard to kill'



Hate to make the comparison, but WOW's been showing their WIP Hero Talents system for the new expansion for months now, and even letting players PLAY the systems via the PTR, allowing the players to actually experience the classes, to give precise feedback

What, you didn't like the 6 potency media tour flamethrower?

[SargeTheSeagull]

Hate to make the comparison, but WOW's been showing their WIP Hero Talents system for the new expansion for months now, and even letting players PLAY the systems via the PTR, allowing the players to actually experience the classes, to give precise feedback

You shouldn’t hate making that comparison. WoW is 14’s main competitor. Most of 14’s player base came from wow and there’s still tremendous amounts of overlap in the player bases of these games, myself included.

[Absurdity]

You shouldn’t hate making that comparison. WoW is 14’s main competitor. Most of 14’s player base came from wow and there’s still tremendous amounts of overlap in the player bases of these games, myself included.

The comparison always ends up with the usual "WoW bad, XIV good" people coming out of the woodworks, that's why I would prefer to avoid it...which is unfortunately often impossible.
What else should we compare it to, some korean P2W MMO nobody even remembers?