Jobs feel pretty much complete with Dawntrail no?

[ZiraZ]

You act like the rotation for dragoon wasn't already completely set in stone when played optimally lol.

GSK cd is 30 seconds, can you explain where it was stated that they would make the cooldown higher? Oh they didn't and you're throwing a fit over baseless assumptions? Thought so. If anyone is trolling here it is you. Keep farming 1-3 likes on a forum though while you continue to seek validation for your bad takes.

Set in stone after a raid has been out for 365+ days is not the same as stiff and boring from day 0
but I don't expect you to understand this, same way you don't understand why they would make GSK 1 min since GSK is now LOTD itself which is an extremely reasonable assumption to anyone that plays DRG, I suppose the reason you are now cranky is because you realized DRG is the perfect contradiction to this threads title, going from a complete job to an incomplete job
please stop projecting about farming likes, your thread failed deal with it

[AsiTsurugi]

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The true purpose of this thread is just shitposting and bringing down other people's enjoyment in the game down to his level, which is very low because he spends more time on the forums than in-game.
Reminder this individual spent a week arguing DRG changes without even having a DRG maxed or even understanding the core basic mechanics of DRG even after someone spent an entire night explaining it to him to no avail.

Same comment is true of this thread's lobotomite OP's "contribution" to SAM-related threads in the DPS subforums.

[Saraide]

That's not whats happening here, this is just trolling.
Both sides on that image at least play the game and understand what they want even if what they want is completely opposite.
The true purpose of this thread is just shitposting and bringing down other people's enjoyment in the game down to his level, which is very low because he spends more time on the forums than in-game.
Reminder this individual spent a week arguing DRG changes without even having a DRG maxed or even understanding the core basic mechanics of DRG even after someone spent an entire night explaining it to him to no avail.

Wether OP knows it or not, your frustration is the goal.

[HikariKurosawa]

Set in stone after a raid has been out for 365+ days is not the same as stiff and boring from day 0
but I don't expect you to understand this, same way you don't understand why they would make GSK 1 min since GSK is now LOTD itself which is an extremely reasonable assumption to anyone that plays DRG, I suppose the reason you are now cranky is because you realized DRG is the perfect contradiction to this threads title, going from a complete job to an incomplete job
please stop projecting about farming likes, your thread failed deal with it

??? You think I am cranky? You're the one who is complaining about the direction of the game along with 5-10 other people who have hundreds to thousands of negative posts on the forums. My thread doesn't have to "succeed" at anything. It is just a player of the game appreciating the changes being made. I couldn't care less about what you think, and you've already lost.

What's funny is that you'll continue to cry about not getting your way because you're an entitled maladaptive oldhead.

[ZiraZ]

no refutal
just more buzzwords

[CidHeiral]

Ya'll are wasting your time trying to reason with this dude. He's that perfect mix of supreme arrogance and absolutely zero actual knowledge or understanding of the subject in question. Just ignore him.

[Mecia]

Providing feedback on a dedicated forum for it is entitled. Alright.

[Equitable_Remedy]

I started playing FF14 during ShB, and I've mained NIN the entire time.

ShB NIN is one of my favorite classes in any MMO - very fun to play. EW made it even better with additions like Phantom Kamaitachi, Raiju, and even Hollow Nozuchi (which just makes AoE feel a lot better despite just being a passively triggered effect). While we don't have the full picture, I'm hype for the further refinements in DT. By all means, iterate on the idea with each expansion, but if I wanted the core gameplay to change, I'd just take up another class.

tl;dr I continue to like the direction of class design for the third expansion in a row.

[Valence]

Well yea if you argue for a return to SB job design then you'll probably not find the healer mains disagreeing. I wouldnt call that the harrowing hell lane however because the way I understand that phrase is to go all in on the current healer job design and then up the damage output from enemies to a level where healers actually do need to burn through your resources just for the party to barely survive.

I'm definitely not arguing a return to past expansions that have had a good life and are past us now. I'm pointing that both damage and healing aren't mutually exclusive, provided they're kept somewhat balanced.

But that's exactly what HH embodies though: if healers don't have to burn through healing resources, then they remain bloated healing kits that serve little purpose. HH also doesn't need to happen without interruption throughout a whole fight, and that's not how encounters in XIV work anyway, it's always burst of mechanics, a breather, then next mechanic in line. That's what I like with HH, when shit hits the fan, I have to actually stop spamming glare and instead scramble and cast actual GCD heals in droves to keep the party alive and the pressure it gives feels epic as a healer. Then when the worst is past us, I can resume my offensive spells, whether they're just glare spamm or a more elaborate toolkit.

[Valence]

They could try not homogenising everything to a terrible build a bar and 3 spender moves all based around a 2m buff window for starters. How about like they used to do and actually build the Job design into the kit instead of bolting on additional mechanics, take a look at the 3 tanks in HW and how they functioned. Each class brought something slightly different to the table and played completely different. Now if you've played one class you've played them all (Except ninja's that's still wizardry to me) takes you about 1m to sort you bar so you have the jobs single target builder aoe builder combo, and then the single and aoe spender move, literally every job.

It's ironic in a way because how much closer jobs have become to their core abilities and buttons that mirror each other (except WhM and AST that have always been), I always get infuriated when a job has that little deviation of one more buff button or one less utility button or whatever and it messes with my newly gained OCD hotbar layout that's supposed to be corresponding skills exactly in the same slot no matter the job because suddenly it becomes off by one slot.

Never had that issue before because jobs were different enough for mirrored abilities to be less prevalent everywhere.