Are we going to keep pretending that PC and console players are the same?

[Valence]

I agree. The biggest hurdle appears to be time investment and, I guess, the level of teamwork/cohesion necessary to achieve success. If there's a lack of time, motivation, or consensus within the group, it's just not going to happen.

Pretty much, ultimates are like progging the hardest savages but you have to wait 10+ min between each pull to see the next 10s you're actually progging. It's difficult, but it just stretches progression thin over thousands of minutes of filler testing your team's willpower to get back to the prog point again and again and again.

Artificially inflated difficulty at its finest.