SE, if you're reworking Jobs in 8.0 anyway, just give us Levi, Ramuh, and Shiva NOW!

[Ianmaru]

I would be fine with glamours to implement this, but honestly SMN would get too cluttered conceptually if it were summoning 8+ summons per rotation.

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you do realize that we've been summoning 8 summons every 2 minutes rotation, dont you? except 3 of them (ifrit titan garuda) are repeated twice. simply make them not repeat at all and there will be 3 free summon spots, which can be filled by shiva ramuh and leviathan.

but eh I bet FFXIV is the only FF game youve played so far anyway, so you dont understand the importance of having those 3 summons.

[MagiusNecros]

Get ready for Mecha Levi, Mecha Ramuh, and Mecha Shiva, based on extensive feedback!

Except it'll just be boss fights and you don't get to summon them.

I wager if we got Valefor instead of Bahamut 2 there would be less backlash.

[Flana]

It's crazy to ask for understanding to SMN players who've been waiting for an actual, functioning and fun summoner since launch, but then again it's the same game where the dev literally told us to skip DT and wait for 8.0 so they've trained their white knights well.

Spoiler: It's still going to be bad in 8.0. We're 4 expansions in on the trashy demi-summon mechanic now. SE is never going to ditch it, summoner will never be 'functional.'

[Jirah]

When did summoner mains started asking for nonsense. Add all the summons you want the job still wont be fun unless your mad or have a very very low standard for gameplay, or a healer main.

Youd think theyd ask for nuisance, a expansion or interlude between ruin and fester, energy drain being relevant, summons acting like summon but no, lets add 3 more for no reason

[Ggwppino]

When did summoner mains started asking for nonsense. Add all the summons you want the job still wont be fun unless your mad or have a very very low standard for gameplay, or a healer main.

Youd think theyd ask for nuisance, a expansion or interlude between ruin and fester, energy drain being relevant, summons acting like summon but no, lets add 3 more for no reason

I totally agree with you.
The main problem is the fact that the designers seem to have been thinking about smn for a week without considering practically anything:

they decided to take the smn towards this direction of full demi-summons, but apart from having sketched this direction, they are doing well passing off Titan, Phoenix, Bahamut and Solar Bahamut as different summons but without the colors they work in the exact same way.
(I personally also added Garuda to the clones, which in fact does not vary much compared to the others).

They left the pet bar 3/4 non-functional and left a pet that objectively no longer serves.

Literally this job is like the ones you experience in indie alpha games. It's just a spit in the faces of the players, it's pure indifference, it's pure listlessness.
Honestly, I'm annoyed by people who genuinely like it, because it's like seeing a masochist get kicked in the balls and likes mediocrity(that's an euphemism). Different are those who play this job just because it's stupid af.

[OgruMogru]

As annoying as I always found the constant egi glamour requests smn would drop into every q&a panel since ARR my opinions flipped and now I feel only pity that it's been nearly 10 years and it keeps happening lmao

[Tracewood]

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Not accusing you or nothin', buuut... your concept is oddly familiar with one I posted about a few days ago:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...23#post6463323

But it's good to see a picture to explain the concept. We're basically on the same page with this idea.

[Moqi]

Spoiler: It's still going to be bad in 8.0. We're 4 expansions in on the trashy demi-summon mechanic now. SE is never going to ditch it, summoner will never be 'functional.'

Oh I know. Anything they're saying about 8.0 right now is pure PR talk to keep people subbed. Come 8.0, we'll see the same exact content structure (down to lvl 110, no matter what they say) and job "streamlining".

[MagiusNecros]

Oh I know. Anything they're saying about 8.0 right now is pure PR talk to keep people subbed. Come 8.0, we'll see the same exact content structure (down to lvl 110, no matter what they say) and job "streamlining".

It took 6 years to fix Living Dead for DRKs and it's still a pile of CLUNK. I think they gave up with SMN and that it was always a byproduct of Scholar. I think Endwalker was a step in the right direction as far as Summoning magic goes but I was hoping for more Summon based mechanics and for them to scrap Fester/Painflare and all those Arcanist attacks that have no place for Summoner and throw those old skills onto Scholar.

I very much preferred having DoT spreader job class and they nuked it from orbit. Stuff like Bane, Contagion, Fester, Energy Drain, Ruin always seemed like Necromancer themed stuff. Maybe in the future we will get a Necro class and it'll have those on top of Dark Arts returning as evil spellcasting.

SMN is really in a bipolar kind of place when it comes to identity. Playing in early content when you don't have your lvl 90 kit feels TERRIBLE to play or only really starts going at lvl 86 to have a sort of flow to it. You need to be lvl 90 to properly use Gem summons since most of the time the Egi struggles to get into range for their big attack.

[hunter2]

I wrote up some ideas for new lego, this seems like as good a thread as any to post it in.