No no, it's Rise OVER Run; and other Math you get wrong. [VERY Strong Opinion; Bozja]

[Erzaa]

107 FATEs for 1 single record- that's not reasonable. The same thing, 107 times? That's so stupidly-repetitive I'm not sure how anyone still has brain function afterward

Yup. There's nothing wrong with a small grind, but like... some of these grinds definitely reach extremes.

it's not just Me, and it's not for want of handouts

It's not just you, don't worry. But you'll find that these forums are heavily biased toward players who enjoy a long grind, that's all.

I've had similar arguments in the past around how I find Bozja and Eureka insufferable, and got much the same responses. Try not to take it personally, people enjoy what they enjoy.

[Erzaa]

Part of the point in this game is being able to say you earned things, such as relic weapons or rare mounts.

• When people see someone with an old relic weapon, they think "oh it took a lot of time and effort to get that, I know how much work they put in". But when they see someone with a Hilidibrand relic, they don't really think that at all, because it involves less time and effort - just dumping tomestones they got anyway and clicking a quest.
• When people see the tiger, triceratops or victor mounts from hunts they think that involved a lot of time and effort - months of grinding and respect the effort. Same for the mentor roulette mount, which involves 2,000 mentor roulettes.

Just to address these points really, I disagree (barring the skill required for players to clear ultimates, that's definitely respectable).

I don't feel like people are all that impressed by a player who just spent hours upon hours doing something tedious over and over.

I know when I see those things, I feel absolutely nothing at all. I've put the time into getting past relics too, but it was only to see the side quest storyline mostly, and I definitely don't plan on doing more weapons. They just sit there in my armoury doing nothing.

At best you'll have a friend give your a /congratulations emote and never bring it up again.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'm totally okay if they separate the lores written in today's field notes (say, lets you read the field note after you clear their Skirmish/CE/Duel/Raid), but stick the mount on something else that also requires today's grinding.

I wish the duels are more prog friendly, though. Say, maybe let up to 3 challenger to try. Or if you failed once, you'll unlock a mock battle to practice elsewhere.

[Nexae]

Yup. There's nothing wrong with a small grind, but like... some of these grinds definitely reach extremes.


It's not just you, don't worry. But you'll find that these forums are heavily biased toward players who enjoy a long grind, that's all.

I've had similar arguments in the past around how I find Bozja and Eureka insufferable, and got much the same responses. Try not to take it personally, people enjoy what they enjoy.

Gobs, yeah.. I like a challenge, I like a little time for anticipation, but when I can start to recite quotes from L.L. like it's Main Scenario Roulette, that's a Grindy Meatball.

I think I definitely see what you're talking about, and yeah I really didn't know what I was getting myself into in this forum. Thankfully I'm not too bothered by it, and certainly not by dissenting opinions, I just wish everyone brought something constructive; those few outliers are disappointing, and I shouldn't be engaging them. =/

But, for all that, I'm enjoying Bozja's overall content and can't wait to see what happens next. I'm totes not Rank 25 yet, but will be soooooooon! I switched to Zadnor on advice I received here, hooboy did that get so much easier. Lacus Litore is missing the Mettle Matonga that Zadnor FATEs bring. Wow- so much faster!