Are we going to keep pretending that PC and console players are the same?

[Hanayumi]

Well obviously... the real solution is to only count console runs for world 1st anything! No mods, no meters, true gamers! (Real deal havent really come across the issue with statics. Have partied with plenty of ps5 players and if they want to know parse or calls we just let them know, all you need as a console player is discord)

[Azureskies01]

Well obviously... the real solution is to only count console runs for world 1st anything! No mods, no meters, true gamers! (Real deal havent really come across the issue with statics. Have partied with plenty of ps5 players and if they want to know parse or calls we just let them know, all you need as a console player is discord)

While I know this post is in jest I would honestly agree with it. High end Pve is one thing though and everyone coming out of the woodwork saying "it doesn't hurt anyone" is wrong but cute. However high end pvp is still ultra ****ed when it comes to not having an anti cheat and I doubt SE took the time to try and rebalance the classes, and redo the maps, AND come out with CC just for people to cheat their way to the top where it DOES effect other players.

[PercibelTheren]

Not every anti cheat implementation preforms like capcom adding Denuvo in their games.

What? Anticheat not being the same as anti piracy software? Shocking.

battleye works they just have to talk to BE and let them know it looks like

BattleEye specifically is an absolute garbage fire. I found that out when playing Ark.

[Saraide]

By definition if a group of all console players got together they would be at a disadvantage when raiding, this is not fair to them or the game.

What pressure can a group like this put on its members to start using mods? 'I demand you play on PC because I refuse to' isnt going to impress anyone. Raids are designed to be clearable without mods and even the mechanics that get AM'd frequently are a lot more comfy in a static, in which you will presumably be if you are looking to get a group of only console players. I expect that chance to randomly get into a group of only console players in PF a rather low chance.

[awhitet]

I've done all content on console and I've never had any issues at all, you don't need 3rd parties at all to do anything. Skill issue?

[Taliriah]

things that just seem a bit odd and too fast to happen by normal people.

I mean just using mouse/keyboard instead of a controller is largely sufficient to explain this

[Valence]

Not every anti-cheat is valorant

If your anti cheat doesn't have ring 0 access, I don't think it's gonna be of much help...

[Taliriah]

If your anti cheat doesn't have ring 0 access, I don't think it's gonna be of much help...

There are a lot of pretty efficient anti cheats that don't live in kernel space.

[Valence]

And what do they do when the cheats are programmed to execute on kernel level?

[Azureskies01]

What? Anticheat not being the same as anti piracy software? Shocking.



BattleEye specifically is an absolute garbage fire. I found that out when playing Ark.

Denuvo has been shown to reduce performance in pretty much every capcom title it is put in. Where as something that you say is somehow more intensive is implemented in every competitive shooter and online game without those same performance hits. When the analogy goes right over the person's head �. I guess the forums don't like emojis so ill just say Woooshhh as the text version of what the emoji was.

Battleye isn't going to catch everything but Rainbow Six uses it to at least some degree with some of the ban waves due to having it in their game. Also that game runs just fine with using BE. We understand that you want your cheats but next time use logic when you want to argue a point.

If your anti cheat doesn't have ring 0 access, I don't think it's gonna be of much help...

True, the more access the anticheat has the easier it would be to find and ban cheaters so thank you for making the case for using something like nProtect like Helldivers 2 does.

The "don't ask, don't tell" mod policy is bizarre. Either allow mods or don't. It would make everything simpler if Square would make a call on this and, if they decide to go the "no mods" route, then actually include some sort of anti-mod software if they want to equalize console and PC players. Arguably, even without mods, PC players will always have technological advantages over console players, though.

This is true, the fact that you can get a widescreen monitor will give you a slight advantage and there are a million other things that PC players would be able to do for a slight advantage. However there is a big **** difference between a widescreen monitor and AM/cactbot/1 key rotations/zoom mod/ any and all other plugins out there.