Combat system is beyond saving.

[Boblawblah]

I was a WAR main during Heavensward and can confirm that it was a far different class. I spent a lot of time in dungeons during that time just because it was fun. I actually wanted to run roulettes. Now WAR is a pittance along with most other classes in this game.



You and your ilk killed off every other MMO by incessantly spamming every forum, Reddit thread, comments section, etc. about how much better FFXIV was better than WoW and so on. FFXIV has a near-monopoly among MMOs and now you tell us to go back to playing those other games? The same games that you killed off?



World of Warcraft, I'm sure you would agree. Final Fantasy is another good one, I don't think Yoshi-P did the PS5 any favors. FFXIV is an exception to the rule because of the former's implosion and people spamming every single orifice of the internet with free shilling for this game. And the explosion of low-quality G'raha fans, big-titty modbeasts, "nightclubs" and assorted drivel that turned FFXIV into Idiocracy. I'm sure you're aware that turning FFXIV into a one-button porno game would probably rankle some people?

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

[Vyrerus]

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

I mean, there's plenty of reasons to keep someone subbed even if they don't like the game.

Housing is the biggest, explicit one. Some houses took the efforts of entire FCs to obtain originally, and some long time hold outs hold onto those because of not only the perceived value but the memory of what it took to acquire the house.

Another reason is OF access. You can't access the forum if you can't login, so you can't unsubscribe and participate in the forum discussions. Which, fruitless though they may be, probably help with boredom and venting.

Third reason would be socialization. I.E. Friends or at least social groups/places to hang around in from the comfort of your own home. There's no small amount of streamers or other gaming social networks that use XIV as a gathering point/common point of interest. Even a bad game is still fun with friends. Anything can be made fun with friends.

And fourth, if it's as Caffe Macchiato says, then they feel like there's no other space that gives this experience, even though other MMOs still make more money and have higher player counts (WoW and Runescape).

People are angry because they care and care too much. And are angry that they care. It's a vicious cycle. Not too hard to understand imo.

[xivYuiM]

People are angry because they care and care too much. And are angry that they care. It's a vicious cycle. Not too hard to understand imo.

This is a lot of it for me. I do have an FC house that would prevent me from unsubbing and also as much as I doompost or cry about the game it's like I said before, I have been subbed almost constantly since patch 2.1 and I believe that until patch 4.0 FFXIV was genuinely one of the best online games I have ever played. I have like 6500 hrs played now and I will likely sub until they shut the servers down for good but I am more concerned with not only making my time on the game as enjoyable as possible but also it is just sad to see the slow and painful death of something that I had previously held in such high esteem.

[PercibelTheren]

And fourth, if it's as Caffe Macchiato says, then they feel like there's no other space that gives this experience, even though other MMOs still make more money and have higher player counts (WoW and Runescape).

I honestly get this point. MMOs in general seem to be on their way out, there aren't many good ones and if I have to pick between FFXIV (which I like, just not nearly as much as I used to), WoW (which I never enjoyed much and also is an ActiBlizz game, so I refuse to support it) and Runescape (the appeal of which I will NEVER understand) then yeah, FFXIV any day.

A lot of MMOs are either obscure with a ton of issues or old and on life support. I miss RIFT in its heyday. It had a lot of great ideas for dynamic zone events and build variety. I miss Wildstar. It wasn't perfect, but I had a ton of fun playing it.

[caffe_macchiato]

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

[Aword3213]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

As if anyone here is a shareholder of Sqare Enix or anything

[Tsurayu]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

You know that graph and letter have absolutely nothing to do with each other, right?

The sales and activity charts for FFXIV have nothing to do with the financial losses that occurred because Square Enix decided to restructure where resources were going in their games. They were spreading themselves too thin and wasting resources on games that they knew were going to be marginal successes at best. The loss reported isn't actually a loss due to lackluster sales. it was the losses reported for their decision to abandon those plans rather than occur even greater losses that they knew they would take. But no, people see "loss" and think Square Enix is going bankrupt or something and somehow that having something to do with FFXIV.

[Boblawblah]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

Are you really asking me if I want YOU to unsub right now? Really?

The sad reality is that you're more attached to this game than I will EVER be and you'll be subbed long after I've moved on.

[justausername]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

Note that the number is still MUCH higher then in Stormblood or anything before that. Also note that numbers DO tend to drop during an expansion (Shadowbringers being an exception because of the flood of people from WoW and content creators joining in.) and peak back up when a new one drops, because many just come for the story and don't give a crap about patch content. (Also note that chart only goes up to Q2 of LAST YEAR and doesn't include the last two entire quarters of 2023. Or well... since SE does March to March technically it doesn't include October 2023-March 2024) I think they will be just fine if a few doomposters leave because they can't handle growing pains.

A good chunk of current players started the game after the systems you are defending were removed, and are totally fine with how they are, or believe it's workable.

It also says thats based on characters with new achievements... I've gone months without getting new achievements, but I've still been subbed and logged in almost every day to just hang out with friends and decorate my house.