Combat system is beyond saving.

[Boblawblah]

it’s my fault for staying subbed

It's not too late to change. Just don't buy DT, take an expansion off and do other things.

[caffe_macchiato]

Aggro management ALONE made this game fundamentally different. It was a deceptively in-depth mechanic that, while being immensely satisfying to master as a tank, required interaction from ALL THREE ROLES and really added a sense of teamwork to every encounter and was the SOLE REASON TO PLAY TANKS!!! Now tanks are just 123 drones that act as a (somehow) even less engaging melee DPS.

I was a WAR main during Heavensward and can confirm that it was a far different class. I spent a lot of time in dungeons during that time just because it was fun. I actually wanted to run roulettes. Now WAR is a pittance along with most other classes in this game.

It's not too late to change. Just don't buy DT, take an expansion off and do other things.

You and your ilk killed off every other MMO by incessantly spamming every forum, Reddit thread, comments section, etc. about how much better FFXIV was better than WoW and so on. FFXIV has a near-monopoly among MMOs and now you tell us to go back to playing those other games? The same games that you killed off?

You claim the things that have changed in this game has killed other franchises. Name them. Explain why this game hasn't been killed already.

World of Warcraft, I'm sure you would agree. Final Fantasy is another good one, I don't think Yoshi-P did the PS5 any favors. FFXIV is an exception to the rule because of the former's implosion and people spamming every single orifice of the internet with free shilling for this game. And the explosion of low-quality G'raha fans, big-titty modbeasts, "nightclubs" and assorted drivel that turned FFXIV into Idiocracy. I'm sure you're aware that turning FFXIV into a one-button porno game would probably rankle some people?

[Boblawblah]

I was a WAR main during Heavensward and can confirm that it was a far different class. I spent a lot of time in dungeons during that time just because it was fun. I actually wanted to run roulettes. Now WAR is a pittance along with most other classes in this game.



You and your ilk killed off every other MMO by incessantly spamming every forum, Reddit thread, comments section, etc. about how much better FFXIV was better than WoW and so on. FFXIV has a near-monopoly among MMOs and now you tell us to go back to playing those other games? The same games that you killed off?



World of Warcraft, I'm sure you would agree. Final Fantasy is another good one, I don't think Yoshi-P did the PS5 any favors. FFXIV is an exception to the rule because of the former's implosion and people spamming every single orifice of the internet with free shilling for this game. And the explosion of low-quality G'raha fans, big-titty modbeasts, "nightclubs" and assorted drivel that turned FFXIV into Idiocracy. I'm sure you're aware that turning FFXIV into a one-button porno game would probably rankle some people?

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

[Vyrerus]

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

I mean, there's plenty of reasons to keep someone subbed even if they don't like the game.

Housing is the biggest, explicit one. Some houses took the efforts of entire FCs to obtain originally, and some long time hold outs hold onto those because of not only the perceived value but the memory of what it took to acquire the house.

Another reason is OF access. You can't access the forum if you can't login, so you can't unsubscribe and participate in the forum discussions. Which, fruitless though they may be, probably help with boredom and venting.

Third reason would be socialization. I.E. Friends or at least social groups/places to hang around in from the comfort of your own home. There's no small amount of streamers or other gaming social networks that use XIV as a gathering point/common point of interest. Even a bad game is still fun with friends. Anything can be made fun with friends.

And fourth, if it's as Caffe Macchiato says, then they feel like there's no other space that gives this experience, even though other MMOs still make more money and have higher player counts (WoW and Runescape).

People are angry because they care and care too much. And are angry that they care. It's a vicious cycle. Not too hard to understand imo.

[xivYuiM]

People are angry because they care and care too much. And are angry that they care. It's a vicious cycle. Not too hard to understand imo.

This is a lot of it for me. I do have an FC house that would prevent me from unsubbing and also as much as I doompost or cry about the game it's like I said before, I have been subbed almost constantly since patch 2.1 and I believe that until patch 4.0 FFXIV was genuinely one of the best online games I have ever played. I have like 6500 hrs played now and I will likely sub until they shut the servers down for good but I am more concerned with not only making my time on the game as enjoyable as possible but also it is just sad to see the slow and painful death of something that I had previously held in such high esteem.

[PercibelTheren]

And fourth, if it's as Caffe Macchiato says, then they feel like there's no other space that gives this experience, even though other MMOs still make more money and have higher player counts (WoW and Runescape).

I honestly get this point. MMOs in general seem to be on their way out, there aren't many good ones and if I have to pick between FFXIV (which I like, just not nearly as much as I used to), WoW (which I never enjoyed much and also is an ActiBlizz game, so I refuse to support it) and Runescape (the appeal of which I will NEVER understand) then yeah, FFXIV any day.

A lot of MMOs are either obscure with a ton of issues or old and on life support. I miss RIFT in its heyday. It had a lot of great ideas for dynamic zone events and build variety. I miss Wildstar. It wasn't perfect, but I had a ton of fun playing it.

[caffe_macchiato]

As I've said before Macchiato, sub away, I and many others thank you for your angry money. I don't understand it, but it's your money.

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

[Aword3213]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

As if anyone here is a shareholder of Sqare Enix or anything

[Tsurayu]

You sure you want people to unsub right now?

You know that graph and letter have absolutely nothing to do with each other, right?

The sales and activity charts for FFXIV have nothing to do with the financial losses that occurred because Square Enix decided to restructure where resources were going in their games. They were spreading themselves too thin and wasting resources on games that they knew were going to be marginal successes at best. The loss reported isn't actually a loss due to lackluster sales. it was the losses reported for their decision to abandon those plans rather than occur even greater losses that they knew they would take. But no, people see "loss" and think Square Enix is going bankrupt or something and somehow that having something to do with FFXIV.