ARR or Heavensward Classic

[ty_taurus]

Current paladin also isn't very complex either and not very hard to play. None of the jobs currently are complex. The only content that really test jobs currently is savage and ultimates and even then none of the jobs are really complex and relies more on group synergey.

And if we're being honest, not even Heavensward in general was complex for any job, let alone aggro management or otherwise. FFXIV has always been a relatively easy and forgiving game. It was less forgiving in Heavensward and had very punishing mechanics, like how vital positionals were, how much of a commitment Cleric Stance was, and other such examples, but so what? The game wasn't difficult to clear content with. Everyone was still able to progress the MSQ and clear all the major story questlines barring Coils of Bahamut (which no amount of simplified job design would help players clear until we got strong enough to solo them unsynched). So you occasionally wiped in a dungeon or alliance roulette every once in a while. You got up, and you did it again, and cleared it.

At the end of the day, the complexity of job design is and has always been largely optional for 95% of FFXIV.

[OgruMogru]

I'm a decrepit grandma on a porch, An Empty Bliss Beyond This World by The Caretaker is playing

Gimme HW Classic it'll cure my arthritis, it'll dissolve my cataracts and rehydrate my wretched soul.

[Arkdra]

Easily one of the worst takes I have ever seen about this game. Removing aggro as a mechanic instantly ruined tanking for the next 5-6 years or however long it has been.

Oh yeah, because doing a couple of threat combos and then switching off of tank stance for the rest of the fight, wholly ignoring said threat combo after was super engaging. This mechanic that was meaningless to competent players but a massive stumbling block for the bad ones was definitely a load-bearing mechanic.

Oh wait, no. The removal of threat as a relevant mechanic is probably the single greatest qol feature added to this game outside of the glam dresser. What was previously the number one source of vote kicks and abandons vanished overnight. Not only were tanks holding threat consistently, I also never had to deal with the middling nervous tank who sandbags their dps 25% or however much it was for the whole dungeon by never leaving tank stance.

[xivYuiM]

Oh yeah, because doing a couple of threat combos and then switching off of tank stance for the rest of the fight, wholly ignoring said threat combo after was super engaging. This mechanic that was meaningless to competent players but a massive stumbling block for the bad ones was definitely a load-bearing mechanic.

Oh wait, no. The removal of threat as a relevant mechanic is probably the single greatest qol feature added to this game outside of the glam dresser. What was previously the number one source of vote kicks and abandons vanished overnight. Not only were tanks holding threat consistently, I also never had to deal with the middling nervous tank who sandbags their dps 25% or however much it was for the whole dungeon by never leaving tank stance.

I was more referring to the limits you could push in non-raid content (like dungeons) where there was endless fun to be had in trying to maximize the damage you could deal while also staying just on the edge of losing aggro or dying because you lost the damage reduction from tank stance. If all you wanted to do was hold aggro and not worry about anything else you could just turn on stance and walk forward while you spammed flash and used DCDs which is basically how every tank has been forced to play for many years now. There is no depth, no reward, no excitement. The dungeons mobs can't kill you, you can't lose aggro, and every player does pretty much the exact same DPS (assuming you have the same gear on) while we mash the same 3 abilities without thinking for 17 minutes in a dungeon. Dungeons in HW were more exciting than the savage raids we have today.

In fact, at least if all you wanted to do was spam flash you would still need to worry about having enough MP to do it.

[Catwho]

The only benefit of a classic version would be getting the missing parts of ARR MSQ back instead of losing them forever.

On that note, I'd rather have a 1.0 playable story mode.

[Nebelheim]

On that note, I'd rather have a 1.0 playable story mode.

I would try out a 1.0 server or single player game. I was never able to play 1.0 but from what I watched it seemed like it played somewhat similar to ff11 so I would probably at least somewhat enjoy it.

[Chelsei]

I don't mind the idea, but, unfortunately the dev team describe it as "Nightmare" and it's a really shameful version of the game that they are really not proud of.

I kinda understand why...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I would try out a 1.0 server or single player game. I was never able to play 1.0 but from what I watched it seemed like it played somewhat similar to ff11 so I would probably at least somewhat enjoy it.

On release, 1.0 had no side quests, no over world towns or villages, no dungeons, no bosses. You would lose your ability to gain more exp just by playing normally.



It was not a good game lol.

[Nebelheim]

On release, 1.0 had no side quests, no over world towns or villages, no dungeons, no bosses. You would lose your ability to gain more exp just by playing normally.



It was not a good game lol.

I still would like to try it I could care less if it had any of that stuff I would play it just for the story. You might not have liked 1.0 or the arr-hw period much but there are people who legitimately did enjoy it or have good memories or are curious enough who would like to try it. I don't see a reason why a classic server should be denied because people come into these threads and claim people like me and others are "blinded" by nostalgia or that we are faking our enjoyment of that period or our fond memories are fake or that it be a waste of time because you or some others didn't personally enjoy a certain period of a games history. There are aspects of modern ff14 Ilike but I also liked certain aspects of previous periods of the games life that I would like to experience again even if its just for occasional nostalgia.

[4clubbedace]

oh god, that sounds like a waste of time and servers