Please Do Not Lock New DPS Spells Behind Other Spells / Skills

[AmiableApkallu]

Oh god I didn't even consider that, is SE telling us we're supposed to spend Chain on a single mob in a trash pull of 7+ mobs, so we can AOE DOT the pull, meaning Chain is not available for the boss that comes right after? What on earth were they thinking

Dawntrail's formula for trash packs will be one tanky mob and a collection of assorted minions. Chain the tanky one. DoT everyone else. Problem solved.

[currentlemon]

Hmm, if PoM has it's cooldown decreased from 120secs (to say 60secs instead), then I would say it is a somewhat positive change. However, my point still stands. The new ability shouldn't be locked behind another. Especially, when that ability has a long cooldown.

[ty_taurus]

The AOE dot will be a loss on 1 so SGE is only gaining something in dungeons

You could at least lie to me for a couple weeks you know.

Hmm, if PoM has it's cooldown decreased from 120secs (to say 60secs instead), then I would say it is a somewhat positive change. However, my point still stands. The new ability shouldn't be locked behind another. Especially, when that ability has a long cooldown.

I was saying the same. I don't mind having a PoM follow-up if PoM is more frequent.

[Aword3213]

You will take your 2m AoE dot an you will LIKE IT

Vs sage that basically has one on demand.

Shouldn’t we ask for something else as interesting instead of making it more homogenized by wanting the same on demand DOT Sage has?

[Supersnow845]

Shouldn’t we ask for something else as interesting instead of making it more homogenized by wanting the same on demand DOT Sage has?

You mean the skill that SCH had 10 years ago we’ve been begging for back but they give to SGE instead

[Sylvain]

Having a DOT that combos off a button that you use roughly on CD wouldn’t be terrible……….if said skill had like a 20 second CD

Locking a DOT (that’s unlikely to have anything longer than a 30 second duration) behind a 2 minute CD is stupid especially since now you will have to burn single target chain on AOE to access the AOE DOT which is even more stupid

Imagine they could have made something fun like, broil increases the DoT duration, Ruin consumes some of the DoT duration, making it a minigame of "how much can you consume without letting it expire".

[Absurdity]

Oh god I didn't even consider that, is SE telling us we're supposed to spend Chain on a single mob in a trash pull of 7+ mobs, so we can AOE DOT the pull, meaning Chain is not available for the boss that comes right after? What on earth were they thinking

Bold of you to assume they were thinking.

[vetch]

Oh god I didn't even consider that, is SE telling us we're supposed to spend Chain on a single mob in a trash pull of 7+ mobs, so we can AOE DOT the pull, meaning Chain is not available for the boss that comes right after? What on earth were they thinking

It'll just be like BRD's dungeon gameplay where you burn Wanderer's on the first trashpull of a section and then it's back up in time for the boss unless your group's DPS is off-the-charts good. It's not a good design by any means, but it'll be workable.

[ForsakenRoe]

Hmm, if PoM has it's cooldown decreased from 120secs (to say 60secs instead), then I would say it is a somewhat positive change. However, my point still stands. The new ability shouldn't be locked behind another. Especially, when that ability has a long cooldown.

I once posted that I'd like to see a new skill on WHM (cough Water/2/3/4>Banish>Banish3) that would have a 15s CD. That'd be 8times per 2min, meaning 8 less Glares in the 3min loop. If POM is 60s, that would make this mystery skill 6 uses per 2min, so I'd be sort of alright with that. Chances are this new skill will be 'put all three in the burst window back to back', though, so we go from 11 Glares in a row to 8 in a row, rather than being able to space the new skill out and break the Glare chains up a bit more (as the 15s CD would, since you'd use it as every 6th GCD). The other half of what I posted, though, is having Dia shortened to 12s, so we use it as every 5th GCD instead of every 12th, which would remove another 10 Glares from the 2min loop.

Without factoring POM's speed (it makes the maths annoying), 2min loops are:

Current gameplay: 36 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries
DT WHM (POM 120s CD): 33 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries, 3 NEW SKILL
DT WHM (POM 60s CD): 30 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries, 6 NEW SKILL
My WHM: 22 Glares, 10 Dia, 8 Banishes, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries

With another thing I suggested in that post a year ago, I'd get it down to 20 Glares per 2min (out of 48 total GCDs). I said in a thread about AST that 'considering how low SE set the bar for making a good design for AST, I bet I could do a better job', and tbh, I think the same might hold true for WHM too. Which is sad to think, all things considered

[ty_taurus]

Current gameplay: 36 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries
DT WHM (POM 120s CD): 33 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries, 3 NEW SKILL
DT WHM (POM 60s CD): 30 Glares, 4 Dia, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries, 6 NEW SKILL
My WHM: 22 Glares, 10 Dia, 8 Banishes, 6 Lily spends, 2 Miseries

Is it confirmed this new attack is GCD?

Reexamining the trailer, it looks like there is no cyan flash around the white mage, which means it probably is an instant cast GCD.