Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ASkellington]

I think it's because WHM is the supposed antithesis to BLM and if BLM can zip around the map, it makes sense WHM could zip around too during the magi war.

I'd agree... if it was present anywhere else in the design and if it got it before SGE. Like really I saw that and I'm going "so... because the Nouliths look like wings when SGE zips, because WHM has wings with Temperance you give them a dash???" I wish I was joking. And honestly, that's a perfect design for WHM. "Opposite BLM" in a sense. Where Ice/Fire can be Lily/Blood Lily, Dia procs Glare etc. etc. I'd love that actually.

They really couldn't give healers a couple 20s to 30s cooldown dps skill in exchange for how big of a buff every other role gets in a party setting in relation to the healer role and had to lock the new skills with a 120s cooldown? oof.

Annnnnnnnd that's why my new sig exists.

[ty_taurus]

They really couldn't give healers a couple 20s to 30s cooldown dps skill in exchange for how big of a buff every other role gets in a party setting in relation to the healer role and had to lock the new skills with a 120s cooldown? oof.

White Mage getting 3 instances of this new attack where Scholar only gets 1 is depressing. Who hates Scholar so much that they feel the need to shove them into an ugly robe and humiliate them? If we reduce the cooldown of PoM to 60 seconds from 120, then the three uses could actually be a nice change for White Mage. Do I think that's going to happen? I give it a 6% chance, generously. One can hope (beg), right? But if that was the case, I'd be pretty content with White Mage for the time being at least until this identity rework that's absolutely totally coming in 8.0 (maybe). Throw in a Diacloud system that's gone unmentioned and I'll eat my own shoes.

That said, we don't really know how long of a cooldown the new Astrologian and Sage attacks are. I highly doubt they're short enough to make a difference given how powerful they look. They are almost certainly giving long cooldown nuke vibes. I'd say 90 seconds if we weren't stapled to the 2 minute meta, but it's not impossible that they're 60 second cooldowns? If Sage's Phlegma was dropped to a 20 second cooldown, and this new attack took the place of being at 40 seconds along with a shorter DOT and a reworked Addersting, I'll calmly stfu till 8.0. Make the single target and AOE DOTs a duration of 12 and 24 seconds respectively pretty please?

[Punslinger]

Six years ago: "They've removed our DPS skills? Maybe this means we'll have to heal more!"

Four years ago: "They are not adding filler dps skills? Maybe this means we'll actually have to heal more this time!"

Today: "Surely this means we'll actually have to USE more healing in the new encounters right?"

You'd think they'd get tired of being wrong all the time. So I can only assume that their predictable irrationality is a side effect of copium overdose.

Healers get still more unnecessary healing, non-healers get still more mitigation and self-healing buffs (making healers even less relevant than they already are), and meanwhile, YoshiderP made sure his main job gets to carry its Ley Lines around the arena, because BLM didn't already have enough movement tools.

On the plus side, it doesn't look like they fouled up DNC, and Pictomancer seems kinda interesting. It speaks to how bad the state of healing is that I'm actually happy that neither new job is a healer this time, since it means the new jobs might actually be fun to play.

[Aravell]

I think the worst part of the changes is that they claimed that they made changes according to feedback.

WHM mostly asked for Aero III back and alternative uses for lilies so you don't spam overheal
> Gives WHM 3 AoE spells after PoM

SCH mostly asked for more DoTs and pet management back
> Here's a 120s CD DoT and you can now become Seraph

AST mostly asked for more opportunities to use cards and also for diverse effects
> You can have your diverse effects, but it's on a 60s CD and there's no RNG

SGE mostly asked for a fulfilment of the DPS healer identity
> You can have an AoE DoT and one other button

At least SGE came out the other side better. The other 3 healers though, RIP in pieces.

[Somnolence]

SGE mostly asked for a fulfilment of the DPS healer identity

Its funny because GNB does really have "DPS tank" identity with its kit. Hell, it has more unique animations used within rotation than most of DPS jobs.

[Rozeee]

White Mage getting 3 instances of this new attack where Scholar only gets 1 is depressing. Who hates Scholar so much that they feel the need to shove them into an ugly robe and humiliate them? If we reduce the cooldown of PoM to 60 seconds from 120, then the three uses could actually be a nice change for White Mage. Do I think that's going to happen? I give it a 6% chance, generously. One can hope (beg), right? But if that was the case, I'd be pretty content with White Mage for the time being at least until this identity rework that's absolutely totally coming in 8.0 (maybe). Throw in a Diacloud system that's gone unmentioned and I'll eat my own shoes.

That said, we don't really know how long of a cooldown the new Astrologian and Sage attacks are. I highly doubt they're short enough to make a difference given how powerful they look. They are almost certainly giving long cooldown nuke vibes. I'd say 90 seconds if we weren't stapled to the 2 minute meta, but it's not impossible that they're 60 second cooldowns? If Sage's Phlegma was dropped to a 20 second cooldown, and this new attack took the place of being at 40 seconds along with a shorter DOT and a reworked Addersting, I'll calmly stfu till 8.0. Make the single target and AOE DOTs a duration of 12 and 24 seconds respectively pretty please?

The fact that chain is still single target and will probably remain a crit% increase makes the SCH change even more laughable. Ah yes, just the attack I needed for the crit buff, a dot that can't crit. What's this a mob pack? Better target one of them just so I can use my aoe attack. Just baffling.

[Maltothoris]

The fact that chain is still single target and will probably remain a crit% increase makes the SCH change even more laughable. Ah yes, just the attack I needed for the crit buff, a dot that can't crit. What's this a mob pack? Better target one of them just so I can use my aoe attack. Just baffling.

Dots actually crit, it's just that they can't direct hit. But you are right that for there some issues with synergy with the moves.

[Maltothoris]

Once again bringing this back up to make sure that since this is the de facto healer thread, still a good place to talk about stuff.

[GrimGale]

We don't get an animation upgrade to our basic attacks this time. Our DoT has the same potency since ShB and our Damage Spell does not (presumeably) get an upgraded potency. Is that why we get some form of 2min attack? The 5 potency upgrade we would have gotten with Glare 6, Broil 7, Astral Solar Malefic and Dosis IV gets to be "contained" into our new shiny 2minute Cds?

[ty_taurus]

We don't get an animation upgrade to our basic attacks this time. Our DoT has the same potency since ShB and our Damage Spell does not (presumeably) get an upgraded potency. Is that why we get some form of 2min attack? The 5 potency upgrade we would have gotten with Glare 6, Broil 7, Astral Solar Malefic and Dosis IV gets to be "contained" into our new shiny 2minute Cds?

With every expansion, HP values of enemies has to scale with the increase in potency per minute that each DPS and tank job is having added to their total outgoing damage. Because every expansion isn't just us getting stronger due to the stats gained over those 10 levels, it's also that we're pumping out a higher amount of damage relative to that new level. If HP values on enemies don't scale with this in mind, then content in this game would get shorter with every expansion as the damage output would get higher and higher. Thus, healers must have their damage increase as well, otherwise even just solo content gets slower and slower for healers every expansion.

This is why healers would get their obligatory DPS upgrade each expansion, but there's a major flaw with that as well which I've talked about before. The higher the damage of your basic attack spell gets, the higher the pressure there is on you to maintain as high a DPS output as possible. Because your Glare, Malefic, etc. can be spammed theoretically every GCD, every cast that doesn't go toward your attack is that much larger of a loss to your damage. Ironically, the desire to avoid adding pressure on healers to DPS by removing nearly all other attacks and refusing to add new ones actually adds a lot more pressure to have a high DPS uptime. The complexity of your rotation might be nonexistent, but the pressure to be a glare turret increases.