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  1. #11
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I understand their concept academically, I'm able to comprehend how most of them work, but just executing them beyond the very basic ones like transpose F3 proc just looks like something only AIs could do on the fly.

    Good to know either way. I wouldn't wish on anybody to see the intricacies of their job being removed from under them.
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    Kemiko Oyung
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    Faerie
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Seems to me the design here is that they want it to enforce a method of play. That method being, "cast ice spells during your umbral phase". Forcing you to cast ice spells to recover MP is a surefire way to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hana_Monogatari View Post
    Have the devs cleared high-end content on BLM? Do they know how much this change would impact?
    Have the developers - like Yoshida - cleared high end content - such as literally all of it - as black mage? I mean. . .is this a serious question? Also I hazard a guess that yes, they know exactly what this'll impact.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to this change. Kind of reminds me of times like back in heavensward a bit. Though, I do believe I saw umbral soul also grant 3 umbral hearts rather than 1, which is neat.
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  3. #13
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    I look forward to the changes personally since I prefer the more standard gameplay and this should be beneficial for it at a glance. I just want BLM to feel less like I am griefing to prog with one.

    I was planning to look into more nonstandard gameplay this summer when I had more free time but I suppose for most of it I needn't bother anymore. I'm not super sad about some of it going away but I DO care that the devs keep in mind that a hard caster still exists in this game when designing their encounters. Because at times it feels like it's not even an afterthought.

    Excited to try it out but I don't think it will kill the job, and given how beloved it is to Yoshi P if it proves too detrimental I am sure we see changes.
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  4. #14
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    Print Screen
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    Odin
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    Ninja Lv 94
    I think that killing job optimization isn't an unforeseen side effect of any of the job changes, it's a goal. Monks choosing their next weaponskill based on buff timers? Remove timers and make the intended path the only path. Samurais using meikyo to sync the timing of their iaiutsus to raid buffs? Make meikyo automatically prepare tsubame. SE wants the skill ceiling as close to the skill floor as they can get it.

    Its been like this since Stormblood. Every new expansion is a chance for them to change course. It wasn't this one.
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  5. #15
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hana_Monogatari View Post
    Who is this change for?
    People who don't play BLM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Print_Screen View Post
    I think that killing job optimization isn't an unforeseen side effect of any of the job changes, it's a goal.
    Absolutely, I'm unsubbing once I'm done with MSQ.

    And it's not just because of this needless adjustment to BLM, it's because the devs have made it very clear where they stand and saying "wait until 8.0" is an absolute slap in the face.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 05-17-2024 at 02:49 AM.

  6. #16
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    it's because the devs have made it very clear where they stand and saying "wait until 8.0" is an absolute slap in the face.
    The accidental mentioning of 8.0 probably sent shivers down everyone on the dev team who was watching lmao.
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  7. #17
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Do people really manage to play non standard that well? Beyond the basic lines?

    Either way, removing intricacies that people like isn't good...
    Whether or not an individual is capable does not mean that no one else was.

    Standard was more than enough to complete content, so having non-standard not only be viable but capable of pushing further means that the job maintains several tiers of mastery, which is what we should want for all jobs. An easily understood baseline that allows one to clear content, and then multiple tiers of mastery allowing them to pursue further if they wish.
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  8. #18
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    Selene Halflight
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Agreed, The Passive Regen is also what kinda clues into (New BLM) players of how their ticks are doing, or how it works with the class. As you can Visually See when the MP ticks compared to the time of your rotation, or if it Regens as soon as you fire cast finishes(or does not).

    This is literally placing a bar into All Levels of Black Mage Play(Be it Novice or Mastery)
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  9. #19
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    Alexia Kusanagi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    I mean considering Yoshi p mains the job… I don’t think he would screw around with his baby that much… these are knee jerk reactions when we don’t know the finer changes it’s just broad changes and also it’s just people screaming because people don’t like change regardless if it benefits others more or less then in its current state.
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  10. #20
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    Selene Halflight
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Honestly, Think About it, The new gauge shows fire stacks being slotted into them.

    if we are able to stack ice into them into the future, then it's just gonna be forced Bull.

    More so when they are killing space for mastery with the reduction of MP Regen.

    They need to give a reason why players will choose to Stack Ice or Revert to Fire.

    It adds more adjustable rotations, without denying the option the most likely want players to benifit/follow.

    But Again, MP regen removal is Complete Bull.
    (It's Thin Air Stacks on Steroids. We never had MP issues before. THANKS SE.)
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