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    Celica Genhu
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    Please Do Not Lock New DPS Spells Behind Other Spells / Skills

    This is a direct criticism to WHM and SCH’s new abilities.

    SE, Please, PLEASE, do not lock their new DPS abilities behind other spells / skills. I’m glad both jobs are getting new DPS spells, but with the way they are now in DT, it feels stupid that you cannot use them after a long period of time

    Seriously, that new AoE ability for WHM should have been a GCD ability on a 15 or 20 sec cooldown.

    Edit: If the new DPS abilities are not being separated into two separate actions, perhaps a compromise can be made? Both Presence of Mind and Chain Stratagem have 120sec cooldowns. Perhaps we can lower their CDs to 60secs. Maybe reintroduce traits that shorten the CDs of both abilities, like how SCH's Quickened Aetherflow trait used to work be pre-Shb.

    Edit 2: One thing that I'd like to see with WHM's new DPS action is have a new trait that works similar to BLM's Thundercloud trait and BRD's Straight Arrow procs. Aero / Dia should have a slight chance to proc the new DPS action. A poster named, Ty mentioned this already, but if Aero / Dia would have a slight chance to proc the new DPS action (say 10 to 30 percent), it would help out with the one button issues the Job currently has (provided that the encounter design would also force us to heal more).

    Edit 3: Please do not make WHM and SCH wait for 90 levels just to get their new DPS actions. There are still plenty of old skills that are still in the game files that can be reused. Actions like Aero III, Water, and Miasma would be great to obtain at lower level and would serve as placeholders for their stronger abilities.
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    Last edited by currentlemon; 05-26-2024 at 04:29 AM.

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    It would be fine if it could regularly combo out of something else, but just being unlocked when you use a 2min cd feels too limited.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Having a DOT that combos off a button that you use roughly on CD wouldn’t be terrible……….if said skill had like a 20 second CD

    Locking a DOT (that’s unlikely to have anything longer than a 30 second duration) behind a 2 minute CD is stupid especially since now you will have to burn single target chain on AOE to access the AOE DOT which is even more stupid
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    I suspect AST also gets an offensive skill tied to their use of 2min CD for Divination.

    Makes me wonder if that SGE offensive skill we saw has a 2min CD just to line it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Having a DOT that combos off a button that you use roughly on CD wouldn’t be terrible……….if said skill had like a 20 second CD

    Locking a DOT (that’s unlikely to have anything longer than a 30 second duration) behind a 2 minute CD is stupid especially since now you will have to burn single target chain on AOE to access the AOE DOT which is even more stupid
    Oh god I didn't even consider that, is SE telling us we're supposed to spend Chain on a single mob in a trash pull of 7+ mobs, so we can AOE DOT the pull, meaning Chain is not available for the boss that comes right after? What on earth were they thinking
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    Karuru Karu
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Presence of Mind is not only a dps tool - it is a very strong healing CD as well. Locking dps spells behind it seems weird.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

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    There is not a single instance where you're pressing POM for 'more healing'. If you are, you haven't used your other tools (of which there are many). Not even Harrowing Hell Savage in week 1 gear was enough to require POM to be used specifically for healing
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    There is not a single instance where you're pressing POM for 'more healing'. If you are, you haven't used your other tools (of which there are many). Not even Harrowing Hell Savage in week 1 gear was enough to require POM to be used specifically for healing
    I can think of plenty of times I used PoM for healing. WHM doesn't even get an oGCD heal until 50 in Benediction and the cool down is massive. That means you only have GCD healing for the most part in every Extreme in ARR along with all of the Binding Coils. I can tell you that content definitely pushes you to use PoM for healing on MINE. Sure it's possible to play the entire game without using PoM to long cast raise or help burst heal but there's a lot you can get away with if you don't care to be optimal or play low level content for the challenge.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    It would be fine if it could regularly combo out of something else, but just being unlocked when you use a 2min cd feels too limited.
    You will take your 2m AoE dot an you will LIKE IT

    Vs sage that basically has one on demand.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    You will take your 2m AoE dot an you will LIKE IT

    Vs sage that basically has one on demand.
    The AOE dot will be a loss on 1 so SGE is only gaining something in dungeons

    The SCH skill is pathetic but I’ll actually take that over the SGE skill
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