If you could, what order would you set tanks in terms of damage?

[Zairava]

I really don't want the aoe heals to stay on the tanks, I don't feel like I should be able to dish aoe healing as a tank without a cost attached. Clemency is the best designed tank heal in the game right now strictly because there is a cost to using it.

On the topic of the OP..

GNB>DRK>PLD>WAR

If WAR is going to be this disgustingly powerful utility wise compared to the other tanks there is zero reason why it isn't acceptable to be the lowest tank dps.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

[...]PLD has genuine weaknesses whereas WAR doesn't. PLD has the worst invuln in the game and 2 of it's utilities; PoA and Clemency, are on GCD.[...]

I need to correct you on that, Passage of Arms is not GCD, it is an oGCD ability.

Passage of Arms, Ability, Instant, 120s Recast Time
Increases block rate to 100% and creates a designated area in a cone behind you in which party members will only suffer 85% of all damage inflicted.
Duration: 18s [for how long you can hold it]
Duration (ally): 3s (server tick)
Effect ends upon using another action or moving (including facing a different direction).
Cancels auto-attack upon execution.

For comparison, here is Anatman from Lv.78 Monk:

Anatman, Ability, Instant, 60s Recast Time
Extends the duration of Disciplined Fist and your present form to maximum and halts their expiration.
Duration: 30s
Cancels auto-attack upon execution. Effect ends upon using another action or moving (including facing a different direction).
Triggers the cooldown of weaponskills upon execution. Cannot be executed during the cooldown of weaponskills.

Bolded and underlined what makes Anatman a GCD ability, which is what Passage of Arms lacks, making it a weavable ability.

[GoatOfWar]

I need to correct you on that, Passage of Arms is not GCD, it is an oGCD ability.

Yeah, but when you use a GCD it goes poof.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Yeah, but when you use a GCD it goes poof.

Which is what is supposed to happen in uptime situations, or sacrifice dps in prog. In downtime channel it for as long as you want.

[Supersnow845]

The idea that mitigation should cost DPS is just a foreign concept these days

[GoatOfWar]

Which is what is supposed to happen in uptime situations, or sacrifice dps in prog. In downtime channel it for as long as you want.

I'm well aware, PoA is a well designed ability.

[rawker]

Just had an evil thought of giving positionals to all tanks... basically a trait that makes all their dps do more damage when dealt to the front and to prevent spinning bosses, a trait that decreases damage received when stationary for at least 10 secs

[GoatOfWar]

Just had an evil thought of giving positionals to all tanks... basically a trait that makes all their dps do more damage when dealt to the front and to prevent spinning bosses, a trait that decreases damage received when stationary for at least 10 secs

You could implement positionals on tanks when tank stance is turned off.
Otherwise, it would be super clunky. But the downside is that everyone would want to off tank at that point.
It could help ensure that some tanks are prefered as main tank though. Like a Dark knight and Gunbreaker could lose more damage from being in the maintank slot than PLD or WAR to ensure they're all brought.

[Rithy255]

Again this circles back to our earlier arguments where I simple do no understand why you are going onto a tank and going “yes I sure do like be able to heal”

Like I can forgive a limited amount of internal sustain as an equivalent to actual mitigation but why are getting your tank fantasy from using an AOE heal, like veil is just straight up succor as an oGCD

Hmm almost like I like the holy knight aesthetic fits having a healing utility such as veil, I guess it can be a similar argument can be made for DNC or any DPS who has any AOE heal, you're acting like Tanks are the only non-healer job with a AOE heal.

It's not a "tank fantasy" and more of a Paladin fantasy, Paladins have been linked to healing and party protection for a long time.

Tanking fantasy is a joke anyway theirs barely anything other then pressing your funny stance button, we know that's not going to change, so I actually Like the idea that tanks are somewhere in-between DPS/Healers in terms of utility but still having a "decent" rotational gameplay.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Yeah, but when you use a GCD it goes poof.

That's why you flash it, either for a whole double weave window if no damage weaves are coming up or just for a quick moment as you time the 3-5s duration for the next attack.

It isn't GCD though, which is what you originally said.