Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

One of the first things that surprised me in this game is that healers don't have a self-raise. I agree very much with what Valence said and with what you said. I want each role to have responsibilities, I don't mind if raises stay the way we are now, and if that means that parties wipe- so be it, failure can happen. Same if DPS is low.

However, in at least one game that I played, I could place a self-raise on myself before entering a dungeon so that if I floor-tanked, I could self-raise. It had a longish CD, so it couldn't be spammed, but if necessary it could typically used twice in a dungeon if it was used before entering. It alleviated some of the pressure.

For me, it's more like... I feel that healers having this added pressure is a poison that results in healers having a "complexity tax" in the same way that other jobs have things like mobility tax, utility tax, and so on. Physical ranged DPS have low DPS because they can attack from anywhere without cast times. Healers have low complexity because there is an inherent pressure on them to always do mechanics correctly or risk getting KOed and starving the rest of the team of their sustain, which traditionally results in certain doom of the party if they cannot finish the fight before they take more damage than they can otherwise withstand. So from the designer's perspective, making the healers easier to perform makes them less likely to make mistakes or more likely to pay attention to a fight's mechanics.

And taxes like that aren't a bad thing in general, but the FFXIV designers don't seem to understand the concept of restraint when it comes to taxes. Every tax is so unnecessarily steep, far beyond what any job deserves in contrast to what it's being taxed on. Like I think Red Mage's raise is a really great piece of utility that can potentially save a part a lot of time saving a run from failure, and that is worth a tax on DPS, but not to a scale of nearly 2000 DPS.

So I for one would gladly take whatever consequences come with unleashing the utility of Phoenix Downs if that means healers can have their complexity tax significantly lifted.

[ASkellington]

For me, it's more like... I feel that healers having this added pressure is a poison that results in healers having a "complexity tax" in the same way that other jobs have things like mobility tax, utility tax, and so on. Physical ranged DPS have low DPS because they can attack from anywhere without cast times. Healers have low complexity because there is an inherent pressure on them to always do mechanics correctly or risk getting KOed and starving the rest of the team of their sustain, which traditionally results in certain doom of the party if they cannot finish the fight before they take more damage than they can otherwise withstand. So from the designer's perspective, making the healers easier to perform makes them less likely to make mistakes or more likely to pay attention to a fight's mechanics.

And taxes like that aren't a bad thing in general, but the FFXIV designers don't seem to understand the concept of restraint when it comes to taxes. Every tax is so unnecessarily steep, far beyond what any job deserves in contrast to what it's being taxed on. Like I think Red Mage's raise is a really great piece of utility that can potentially save a part a lot of time saving a run from failure, and that is worth a tax on DPS, but not to a scale of nearly 2000 DPS.

So I for one would gladly take whatever consequences come with unleashing the utility of Phoenix Downs if that means healers can have their complexity tax significantly lifted.

That's wishful thinking. We have the trust system as a way to make it so people can continue the story without being bogged down by terrible teammates. I don't see the dev team making more complicated non-MSQ dungeons (if Variant/Criterion is that stamp a big fat failure on them and discontinue the waste of spaces), harder EXs, alliance raids or even savage raids where tanks and healers get to shine over glorified fight dances that wipe the party and we can't recover from except from beginning from the start, and I sure as hells don't see giving everyone a raise no matter how limited is going to fix it.

In fact, I see more raises FURTHER making the healing role more obsolete. So no. I don't want it.

[AmiableApkallu]

We have the trust system as a way to make it so people can continue the story without being bogged down by terrible teammates.

I've watched Alphinaud let Thancred die to Superbolide. Let's not pretend trusts are somehow immune from being terrible at their jobs.

As far as the greater point of making Phoenix Downs usable in content goes: I would point out that most reasonable players feel bad about leaving party members dead on the floor, and being the party member (or two or three…) that's on the floor feels bad. Especially if we're looking at MSQ-required content.

Holding healer class design and the MSQ encounter design hostage to the possibility that the healer might die in MSQ-required 4-person content strikes me as… not ideal.

[ASkellington]

I've watched Alphinaud let Thancred die to Superbolide. Let's not pretend trusts are somehow immune from being terrible at their jobs.

As far as the greater point of making Phoenix Downs usable in content goes: I would point out that most reasonable players feel bad about leaving party members dead on the floor, and being the party member (or two or three…) that's on the floor feels bad. Especially if we're looking at MSQ-required content.

Holding healer class design and the MSQ encounter design hostage to the possibility that the healer might die in MSQ-required 4-person content strikes me as… not ideal.

I never claimed otherwise.

What I claim is that I don't see the dev team changing anything other than allowing Phoenix Downs to be used in combat due to a request while completely forgetting WHY we asked for the change to begin with: so they can't stop using excuses to not fix healers or combat design.