A Follow-up Regarding the Dawntrail Official Benchmark

[Nyxs]

"Having said that, our players graciously provided a tremendous amount of feedback with screenshots, which helped us quickly determine our direction for fixes and adjustments, as well as identify points to address."

Translation: "Thank you Japan players for giving us useful criticism and identifying areas for improvement, and for not being a dumpster fire like the NA forums"

Accurate,hopefully in the next round people here can be more organized and not have fifty threads that make it hard to address actual issues.

[Plushy]

"Having said that, our players graciously provided a tremendous amount of feedback with screenshots, which helped us quickly determine our direction for fixes and adjustments, as well as identify points to address."

Translation: "Thank you Japan players for giving us useful criticism and identifying areas for improvement, and for not being a dumpster fire like the NA forums"

I know its a common theme for NA players to praise the japanese and dunk on their own nationality when it comes to giivng feedback but our feedback is just as important as jp players. This along with the fact there are far more NA/western players than jp.
SE knows our culture/fourm etiquette is much different than the japanese. We prefer to make our own threads and the japanese prefer to all post in the same mega thread. I can tell you the Dev team is hyper aware of this. So NA isn't a dumpster fire. Its just a difference in not only culture but as I said, fourm etiquette.

NA players like to make their own threads so they can be the center of attention for their concern and also we don't like people's posts as much as JP and prefer to comment instead.
SE isn't going to only listen to the JP playerbase, NA/western players showed great feedback too with a huge thread with first page/op post highlighting a ton of bugs. Sadly the title of the thread is a quite over the top and over dramatic but still, that's just how NA/western players are.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ke-it-optional
^ Massive thread nothing in the JP thread highlights this much info in a single post for every single character.

So basically. I disagree with you saying "thank you jp" as if we "NA/Western players" did nothing but yell and provided zero feedback.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I'm happy they're listening to the player base and making changes quickly. I don't get the other half of this community that's actually upset and disappointed that SE . . . listened to player feedback.

And it’s not like they don’t make a point of asking for our feedback every time they do something major. You’d think people would be happy they’re so eager to listen to player feedback and make changes.

It’ll be interesting to see how much difference the better environment and lighting makes, and just how much of the mouth scaling issue was responsible for some of the things that looked “off” on some of the races.

Just wonder though, if the characters I created with the current benchmark will still be saved somewhere when the new one comes out? Or will I have to create and save them again?

[TKMXIV]

Just wonder though, if the characters I created with the current benchmark will still be saved somewhere when the new one comes out? Or will I have to create and save them again?

I think if you still have your FFXIV_CHARA_BENCH files than you should be able to cut and paste them into the new Benchmark.

[CidHeiral]

I'm happy they're listening to the player base and making changes quickly. I don't get the other half of this community that's actually upset and disappointed that SE . . . listened to player feedback.

The community isn't a monolith. For every person who hated a change there's another person who loved it. I think the face I use turned out pretty much perfect and spot on, but I saw other people on this forum say it was ruined. I'm not worried about my face changing much if at all, but I can see how someone pleased with the updated models would be nervous about a new round of tweaks. Listening to all sides and making their best judgement call is the tightrope the devs have to walk in every decision they make.

Whatever happens, kudos to Yoship and the rest of the team for being so transparent with the community. People love to be dramatic and say they never listen to feedback but that is clearly not true at all and we're quite fortunate to have a team that really cares behind this game, even if they do make some boneheaded mistakes sometimes.

[LillyWandsworth]

NA players like to make their own threads so they can be the center of attention for their concern

Or you know writing in Japanese is hard

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Very glad at the communication being so high and the breakdown of what they are doing. From what he has written this time I think they have noted people disliking the loss of certain racial traits. Time will tell! I'm hopeful.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Or you know writing in Japanese is hard

I think they mean, rather than consolidate into one thread on the English forums, we had like 30 threads. On the Japanese forums, 1 thread.

[CuteBucket]

I will never understand the people here that were saying "the benchmark looks fine, your character looks identical, you're just nitpicking!" when even SE admits that the benchmark had texture issues, lighting bugs, wrong mouth scaling, etc. Or saying we were being too mean or negative, just because we don't wrap our critique in layers of politeness (just because the Japanese language has this as a more normalized thing baked into it does not mean that people speaking "politely" are not also upset and angry, it's just a cultural difference in ways of speaking. English is a much more exaggerated and blunt language, for better and worse). The vast majority of those with issues posted extensive screenshots and detailed the changes in a helpful and informative way.

[Kacho_Nacho]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d1d9f0db152d31

My current estimate for replacing the benchmark is the latter half of the week of May 23

Neat! It looks like matters are well in hand.

Personally, I like what I see in the DT benchmark. They caught Kacho's (my main) and Nonomy's (my primary alt) appearances quite well in the actual benchmark. It was the character generator which had me scratching my head, thinking, "well that's not right." I won't go into the details, there's a bajillion threads already, and my feedback would be redundant.

So, I'm looking forward to to seeing what Kacho and Nonomy look like in Benchmark 2. May 23rd-ish with a July 2nd early release date doesn't allow for substandard work. I'm hoping they rise to the challenge and dazzle us.

I will never understand the people here that were saying "the benchmark looks fine, your character looks identical, you're just nitpicking!" when even SE admits that the benchmark had texture issues, lighting bugs, wrong mouth scaling, etc. Or saying we were being too mean or negative, just because we don't wrap our critique in layers of politeness (just because the Japanese language has this as a more normalized thing baked into it does not mean that people speaking "politely" are not also upset and angry, it's just a cultural difference in ways of speaking. English is a much more exaggerated and blunt language, for better and worse). The vast majority of those with issues posted extensive screenshots and detailed the changes in a helpful and informative way.

I think there was a small clique of people going around trolling people just to get their jollies. I agree most of the feedback was quite good and just what the devs needed to know.

As an aside, did you know many Japanese companies specifically hire someone to be "the American?" Specifically, they need someone willing to break through that cultural politeness for feedback. Our cultures are so different; but, when we recognize those differences, and work with our strengths, great things happen.