Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Fyrebrand]

Keep in mind, that finishing that dungeon is required to gain access to the vendor who "sells" the 89/90 gear. So the new player has a great, legit excuse for their gear. But you were talking more about the Mentor tank, who has no such excuse. I will also refrain from commenting on low damage, though its not a great sign.

My mistake then, I guess I misremembered and thought you got access to the gear vendor in MSQ before the dungeon. It would make more sense to catch players up that way, since you are going into a level 89 dungeon and then the trial right after that. I guess I'm just used to having alts hit 89 and being able to immediately gear up. Now that I think about it, the 85 gear they had on isn't that unusual for leveling an alt since what you get is dependent on luck with dungeon drops -- but the 83 pieces means they didn't even bother to get the poetics tomestone gear from Shadowbringers, right?

In any case, seeing that mentor tag is the only reason I gave any of this a second thought. I purposely didn't mention they were a mentor until the very end of my post so it would be sort of a "punchline," but maybe it should have been my first point because it establishes my entire frame of mind for why I'm even talking about the dungeon run at all. Any other rando not pulling much or playing poorly I wouldn't have cared. The low DPS I don't even really care about either, and I didn't bother checking the DPS players' gear. It's more that it gave me AMPLE opportunity to observe and scrutinize the tank as I did nothing but spam AoE for what felt like three or four minutes at a time. Oh, and if anyone's wondering, I kept all these thoughts to myself and did not give them a hard time about it. Rather, we actually chatted and joked around quite a bit (again, we had lots of time for it). I hate when people are rude to their party members, start a fight, and then post chat logs on the internet to brag about "Hey, look how I won this argument on the internet!"

[Miracle_Diva]

DF is still fun

[Cincierta]

So I forgot that Inner Release prevents knockback.

Queue myself on an alt getting some tomestones with a friend, I go on WAR because unga-bunga, he goes on SGE to cover for some incompetence, and he puts us into trials. Insta-pop and we get good ol' Golbez.

First towers go fine, it's the second set that I had Inner Release for unga-bunga on because I forgot a good chunk of the fight. 3 DPS die because I didn't realize towers were up and we were short 1 person in a 3-person tower, along with my co-tank and his co-healer.

My friend: Hitting LB3!

Meteors come down shortly after, and he does not get the cast off but the lb bar gets consumed, everyone else is dead except for me. Golbez looks like he wants to go a few more rounds since he was sitting at 20%. I make the decision and just jump to reset.

"I forgot IR prevents knockback T_T" I apologize to the group.

Knockback prevention didn't kill anybody, but it sure as heck did to this group.

[Cincierta]

Wow, double story post time.

So last night my friend asked me if I wanted to do a few roulettes with him since he was going PLD. Me being sick and trying to recover but trying to keep upright to help drain the icky from my sinuses, I said sure.

Hoo boy I regretted my decision.

He throws us into leveling, and it's instapop since I'm on WHM. We get Tower of Babil, and get a RPR and BLM as our dps. Unfortunately for me, I recognized the name of the BLM since I had them in Ktisis Hyperboria as MCH. I pointed this out to my friend in discord chat. At first he didn't think it was true. After the first boss he realized I was right and said we'll probably be seeing the second boss cycle through mechanics at least twice. Spoilers: we did since the blm was doing...things.

Last time I was top dps in the 87 dungeon as WHM. This time, after going through the dungeon and throwing on the funny calculator after the first boss to see if my suspicions were correct, I ended up being the top dps again as WHM.

RPR was indeed new and vanilla to the dungeon. BLM was not...and casting an awful lot of Fire 1s, High Fires, Fire 3s, and using Transpose to swap elements. Funny thing was they were using Blizzard 1, High Blizzard, but no Blizzard 3.

Such intense mental pain we had from seeing the BLM's casts, and since they wouldn't roll on loot, we could not kick. I wanted to say something to them, but I still remember that one time I gave advice to someone and was promptly told to f*ck off and die, so you can imagine my hesitation.

Now imagine my pain when I checked their lodestone this morning to see that they actually completed the 60 and 70 BLM quests. Meaning this mother ducker didn't even have Fire 4 or Foul at 83.

If that BLM ever reads this, holy heck man don't make Shatotto that upset. Learn how2blm and learn your rotations. Heck, learn how to actually play the rest of your jobs please I beg of you.

[Taliriah]

Wow, double story post time.

So last night my friend asked me if I wanted to do a few roulettes with him since he was going PLD. Me being sick and trying to recover but trying to keep upright to help drain the icky from my sinuses, I said sure.

Hoo boy I regretted my decision.

He throws us into leveling, and it's instapop since I'm on WHM. We get Tower of Babil, and get a RPR and BLM as our dps. Unfortunately for me, I recognized the name of the BLM since I had them in Ktisis Hyperboria as MCH. I pointed this out to my friend in discord chat. At first he didn't think it was true. After the first boss he realized I was right and said we'll probably be seeing the second boss cycle through mechanics at least twice. Spoilers: we did since the blm was doing...things.

Last time I was top dps in the 87 dungeon as WHM. This time, after going through the dungeon and throwing on the funny calculator after the first boss to see if my suspicions were correct, I ended up being the top dps again as WHM.

RPR was indeed new and vanilla to the dungeon. BLM was not...and casting an awful lot of Fire 1s, High Fires, Fire 3s, and using Transpose to swap elements. Funny thing was they were using Blizzard 1, High Blizzard, but no Blizzard 3.

Such intense mental pain we had from seeing the BLM's casts, and since they wouldn't roll on loot, we could not kick. I wanted to say something to them, but I still remember that one time I gave advice to someone and was promptly told to f*ck off and die, so you can imagine my hesitation.

Now imagine my pain when I checked their lodestone this morning to see that they actually completed the 60 and 70 BLM quests. Meaning this mother ducker didn't even have Fire 4 or Foul at 83.

If that BLM ever reads this, holy heck man don't make Shatotto that upset. Learn how2blm and learn your rotations. Heck, learn how to actually play the rest of your jobs please I beg of you.

Not everyone can be as amazing as you and know how to play every job well right away.

[LordMcMutton]

They're at least level 87, though- that's plenty of time to learn your class. Especially if it's one that starts at level 1

[LyraShu]

I was just about to say that. I don't think this is really them saying bad things but more them asking, "Did you read your abilities/did you do your job quests?".

On the other hand though, if they bought a boost then getting a new BLM at 80 and learning rotation + dungeon patterns and positioning's + player interactions then I can see how it can be daunting + (insert random things that I forgot about here).

Then again, this is a forum post that is for talking about cringe/harder-than-should-be content because of party interactions/player choices sooo.

[Cincierta]

Not everyone can be as amazing as you and know how to play every job well right away.

I'm not amazing but at least I read my tooltips and practice outside of dungeons. It's not hard to look at your kit and go 'hm, I probably have a good use for that.' Googling job guides is also a thing. If they were making an effort to cast Fire 4s and Despairs, I would have given them the benefit of doubt, but they never even did those.

Compared to WHM, which has at most 5 dps skills in their kit, BLMs should be putting out a lot more than what I witnessed yesterday.

They've also had 83 levels to practice blm. 83. Levels. At that point I expect people to have some sort of basic understanding of their job. The person more than likely did not boost either, as they had the basic lvl 80 crafted gear on, and had the occasional use of Ley Lines.

They also had nearly everything at 90 save for RDM at 51 and BLM at 86 as of this morning.

I'd much rather go in knowing what a dungeon entails/knowing my kit than be an utter deadweight to the rest of my group. This is a team game, is it not?

[Frizze]

Throwing my voice to the chorus. Black Mage main here. The quests do nothing to teach proper play, some of the spell interactions arent immediately obvious, and the correct rotation changes every 10 levels or so. Plenty of reasons not to be "ideal" while leveling. Yup. But we're talking about the level 83 dungeon and a player who stopped doing their class quests before level 60(if i understand correctly anyway). The simplified BLM single target rotation(if you ever needed to explain it to someone who might only be half paying attention) is do everything you can to cast as many Fire 4 spells as possible. It has a great rhythm that feels terrific when you get into it, and i could go into much greater detail. But the point is, do as much F4 as you can. Learn how to use your other spells to F4 more. Life begins with F4, and it is the last thing my enemies see as the final shreds of vitality are scorched from their charred husks. Do ALL the splosions!!!

Oh. But this guy is missing that spell. And... we know they didnt boost because boosting sets the job quests to complete. Plus unless Cin is skipping details, they werent AoEing correctly either. Cause the AoE version includes as much Flare as you can fit, and Flare wasnt listed above.

[Cincierta]

Throwing my voice to the chorus. Black Mage main here. The quests do nothing to teach proper play, some of the spell interactions arent immediately obvious, and the correct rotation changes every 10 levels or so. Plenty of reasons not to be "ideal" while leveling. Yup. But we're talking about the level 83 dungeon and a player who stopped doing their class quests before level 60(if i understand correctly anyway). The simplified BLM single target rotation(if you ever needed to explain it to someone who might only be half paying attention) is do everything you can to cast as many Fire 4 spells as possible. It has a great rhythm that feels terrific when you get into it, and i could go into much greater detail. But the point is, do as much F4 as you can. Learn how to use your other spells to F4 more. Life begins with F4, and it is the last thing my enemies see as the final shreds of vitality are scorched from their charred husks. Do ALL the splosions!!!

Oh. But this guy is missing that spell. And... we know they didnt boost because boosting sets the job quests to complete. Plus unless Cin is skipping details, they werent AoEing correctly either. Cause the AoE version includes as much Flare as you can fit, and Flare wasnt listed above.

It looks like they finished BLM and are currently working on RDM. As of this posting they're sitting at 58. I can feel the hardcasting Scatter from here.

Edit: because I don't exactly feel like posting a link to the forbidden chart, I'll list off their casts after the first boss:

71 Fire I
52 Fire III
33 High Fire II
19 Transpose
16 Freeze
15 Triplecast
14 Thunder III
14 Blizzard I
11 Thunder IV
11 Sharpcast
10 High Blizzard II
6 Ley Lines
3 Sprint
1 Aetherial Manipulation
1 Manaward