SEA players and resident of US/EU, how are you paying subs right now after the change

[Satosato0263]

As these payment issues do not happen in Japan, perhaps posting on Japanese forums would not be of much interest.

[Rehayem]

As these payment issues do not happen in Japan, perhaps posting on Japanese forums would not be of much interest.

Generally when something like this happens, people's perception regarding SE is "favoritism" towards its JP playerbase. Because they don't face these issues, and it has not been addressed yet (not even a moderator post or anything), people become very skeptical and frustrated, feeling abandoned and screaming into the void.

Yes, SE is a Japanese company and of course it's normal they seem to have more resources towards its own playerbase and JP forums, however ultimately this creates a gap in trust. You can look closely at English forums and see for yourself how there's almost zero moderation.

[Satosato0263]

Generally when something like this happens, people's perception regarding SE is "favoritism" towards its JP playerbase. Because they don't face these issues, and it has not been addressed yet (not even a moderator post or anything), people become very skeptical and frustrated, feeling abandoned and screaming into the void.

Yes, SE is a Japanese company and of course it's normal they seem to have more resources towards its own playerbase and JP forums, however ultimately this creates a gap in trust. You can look closely at English forums and see for yourself how there's almost zero moderation.

Speaking personally, I don't know what SE wants to do with the forum.
A long time ago, the forums were the only place developers looked, but now they say they also look at X or 5ch etc., in addition to the forums. (as yoshida said in PLL).

And obviously SE moderators look as if they are not doing their job when it is a non-Japanese forum.

This may sound strange, but I think it would be better to post on this subject in a Japanese forum, translated into Japanese.

[Rehayem]

Speaking personally, I don't know what SE wants to do with the forum.
A long time ago, the forums were the only place developers looked, but now they say they also look at X or 5ch etc., in addition to the forums. (as yoshida said in PLL).

And obviously SE moderators look as if they are not doing their job when it is a non-Japanese forum.

This may sound strange, but I think it would be better to post on this subject in a Japanese forum, translated into Japanese.

I'm certain many have had this idea cross their minds, but like myself, I'd personally avoid doing that because I'm well aware how strictly do JP follow the rules, and that's fine. But an issue such as this, where would you even post it? It's certainly not a technical issue nor bug report, the only place would be General Discussion (like here). Aside from that, machine translation such as Google or DeepL aren't perfect, though the latter may have better accuracy. I'm not sure what's people's perception there when someone uses broken Japanese to post on Japanese forums.

It's very difficult to even attempt have SE look at their Western playerbase screaming for help while drowning in problems. When NA/EU suffered high ping issues, Yoshida himself said it's fine because they don't see those issues (Japanese servers/data centers), whereas people struggled to play the game they're paying for. West got completely ignored because JP wasn't affected, so it's certainly going to be a similar situation here.

[Satosato0263]

I'm certain many have had this idea cross their minds, but like myself, I'd personally avoid doing that because I'm well aware how strictly do JP follow the rules, and that's fine. But an issue such as this, where would you even post it? It's certainly not a technical issue nor bug report, the only place would be General Discussion (like here). Aside from that, machine translation such as Google or DeepL aren't perfect, though the latter may have better accuracy. I'm not sure what's people's perception there when someone uses broken Japanese to post on Japanese forums.

It's very difficult to even attempt have SE look at their Western playerbase screaming for help while drowning in problems. When NA/EU suffered high ping issues, Yoshida himself said it's fine because they don't see those issues (Japanese servers/data centers), whereas people struggled to play the game they're paying for. West got completely ignored because JP wasn't affected, so it's certainly going to be a similar situation here.

In this case, General Discussion is a fine.

From a Japanese point of view, any translator will look strange, but it is still recommended to use DeepL because of its good accuracy.
However, FF14 words need to be spelt out on their own by looking at the official FF14 page. For example, even if you translate glamour using Google or deepl, It will never be translated into Japanese as it is a completely different word in Japanese.

People on Japanese forums don't like posts from foreign countries very much. (To put it mildly.)
Not because of anything unpleasant in the forums, but because they don't have a very good impression in game.

I do find it very difficult for developers to recognise problems that are only happening in regions outside Japan.
The function to remove players from the house, which was announced at the recent PLL, was also something that was much requested in Japan forum last year.
I think it doesn't make sense to split the forum by region and language at this time

Does your high ping mean this?
https://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a451d5a8daa66fhttps://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a451d5a8daa66f

[Rehayem]

In this case, General Discussion is a fine.

From a Japanese point of view, any translator will look strange, but it is still recommended to use DeepL because of its good accuracy.
However, FF14 words need to be spelt out on their own by looking at the official FF14 page. For example, even if you translate glamour using Google or deepl, It will never be translated into Japanese as it is a completely different word in Japanese.

People on Japanese forums don't like posts from foreign countries very much. (To put it mildly.)
Not because of anything unpleasant in the forums, but because they don't have a very good impression in game.

I do find it very difficult for developers to recognise problems that are only happening in regions outside Japan.
The function to remove players from the house, which was announced at the recent PLL, was also something that was much requested in Japan forum last year.
I think it doesn't make sense to split the forum by region and language at this time

I've seen that thread regarding the benchmark graphics update and how one of our fellow forum posters went there and used machine translation to post in Japanese. A response was rather harsh with the mentality of "if they can't speak Japanese then they can't be here!!!" even though it was posted with broken Japanese. In a way it becomes hypocritical, because in the future, that same person may need to use Google/DeepL to translate to English, but no one's going to judge them for that. We in the West have multiple languages and many speak more than one, so broken English will be fine because it will still be understood.

On the bright side, I did see quite a lot defend the situation and said it's perfectly fine as long as it's understood. Perhaps that one angry person has never spoken to a foreigner before? Or a foreigner trying to learn Japanese? Who knows.

Does your high ping mean this?
https://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a451d5a8daa66fhttps://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a451d5a8daa66f

I believe this is the post, yes. The issue still happened a lot last year, however thankfully there was an actual response from SE. Now, when I read it the first time, I've seen 2 particular things in that statement that bothered me a lot.

1. "Since around the release of Patch 6.1, we have been receiving reports from players in Japan and other parts of the world stating that they have been experiencing network-related issues, such as a few seconds of network loss, or lag."

Okay, it starts good, it mentions "other parts of the world", so I assumed Yoshida knows issue isn't localized to Japan. And then it goes:

2. Based on the information that most of the recent reports are specifically coming from Japan, while others are playing without issue, the network-related issues may be due to the network routing. In the past month, some of the internet service providers (ISP) in Japan have been reporting issues due to high network concentration or trouble related to construction.

Emphasis mine. NA/EU players have been complaining about the lag for months, yet it had to have very small few JP playerbase mention this in order for Yoshida make this Lodestone post. This is why West is very well aware Yoshida plays favorites and how SE does indeed ignore half its playerbase from half the globe because "JP's fine lol"

That's why some of us know that posting in JP forums will get SE's attention. I leave you with this.



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