Elements

[Supersnow845]

Of all the potential options, “water remained because in current gameplay white mages and conjurers don’t have much going on anymore for water so the old mages must not have used water either” is the silliest one. I’m also still not sure where you got Nym and wind from either.

In ye olde 1.0 lore I remember something about the elementals being responsible for flooding the world because of the War of the Magi. Despite it being from after Yoshi-P’s takeover, that lore hasn’t been transferred over but a ton of water energy flowing into the world at once from an angry elemental leading it to getting even bigger due to calamity on another shard makes a whole lot more sense than “they didn’t use water spells” and it at least has the benefit of being explicitly stated in-game.

As far as I know that legacy plotline was dropped (especially since they didn’t have a defined direction for the calamities yet and it’s not mentioned anywhere in encyclopaedia eorzea) but I’m not necessarily saying that since we use little water it’s evidence that the war of the magi didn’t use any just that all evidence points to them drawing more of the 5 other elements than water which can be thematically relevant if that was the intended design

Water is part of conjury but there is also an explicit desire to not use water that much in current gameplay, whether that’s linked to the war of the magi or not is up for debate but the war of the magi causing the flood because they used less water than any other element is pretty hard to deny

[MikkoAkure]

Water is part of conjury but there is also an explicit desire to not use water that much in current gameplay, whether that’s linked to the war of the magi or not is up for debate but the war of the magi causing the flood because they used less water than any other element is pretty hard to deny

I denied it and it was really easy.

Nowhere at all in the game is it stated the War of the Magi had fewer water spells being cast and that's what caused the flood or that modern mages are purposefully avoiding water magic because of its links to the flood.

The easiest answer to players not having anything for water spells beyond Aquaveil, Suiton/Meisui, and BLU spells is that is was a decision from the gameplay designers rather than the writers for some reason leaving it as subtext in the lore and never talking about it outright despite how important such a fact would be. You would think that 1/6th of the elemental table being purposefully left out of the game due to story reasons would have been explicitly stated some time in the past 10 years of ARR at least, but it's not.

To suggest that gameplay mechanics are behind unexplained bits of story is like suggesting that the city-states are tiny because you can walk across them in 2 minutes in-game and there's <100 or so NPCs. Unless the game actually states something, I'm not going to take some random player's personal fanon as fact.

[Supersnow845]

I denied it and it was really easy.

Nowhere at all in the game is it stated the War of the Magi had fewer water spells being cast and that's what caused the flood or that modern mages are purposefully avoiding water magic because of its links to the flood.

The easiest answer to players not having anything for water spells beyond Aquaveil, Suiton/Meisui, and BLU spells is that is was a decision from the gameplay designers rather than the writers for some reason leaving it as subtext in the lore and never talking about it outright despite how important such a fact would be. You would think that 1/6th of the elemental table being purposefully left out of the game due to story reasons would have been explicitly stated some time in the past 10 years of ARR at least, but it's not.

To suggest that gameplay mechanics are behind unexplained bits of story is like suggesting that the city-states are tiny because you can walk across them in 2 minutes in-game and there's <100 or so NPCs. Unless the game actually states something, I'm not going to take some random player's personal fanon as fact.

Again I’m not saying that the lack of water spells in the modern game is caused by the war of the magi, I said you can speculate that

But if the 6th umbral calamity wasn’t caused by the magi not using water magic please provide literally a single other possibility given they have deleted the “vengeful elemental” story

1) ascians caused the war of the magi
2) 2 war of the magi caused the 6th umbral calamity
3) 6th umbral calamity was caused by an overabundance of water aether as opposed to any other element

Seems pretty clear here, if you can’t read between the lines I’d guess you’d like to argue that the war of the magi wasn’t caused by the ascians given its never explicitly stated

That is all I’m saying, it’s possible to speculate on the former but if they seek to deny the latter please provide something to back that up as near everyone agrees on the latter

[MikkoAkure]

That is all I’m saying, it’s possible to speculate on the former but if they seek to deny the latter please provide something to back that up as near everyone agrees on the latter

Who is "near everyone"? I've only ever seen this idea come up a couple of times and only on these forums and I've seen more people disagree with it than agree with it.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...e-Water-Spells

"Modern white mage gameplay has aero and stone but not as much water so therefore WHMs in the game's lore must not have used water and that caused the calamity because there was a water imbalance" is a silly theory. I asked for a source and you provided an empty wiki page and a quote that didn't exist.

I'm not going to provide any other possibilities because I don't need to. We have the old elemental story and that's as close as we have of something that's actually written into the game and not a player's idea that's based on their interpretation of game mechanics. I'm not going to speculate further because I don't like making stuff up from thin air and spreading it around like it's real. You still haven't responded about your idea of "Nym being focused on wind" either and I can't find any source for that.

Unless the game, a future encyclopedia, or an interview with Oda/Koji mentions the lack of water spells being the cause of the flood, then I'm going to throw it back in the pile of weird fanon along with "Miqo'te only live to be 40". Until then, we have no stated reason in game that says WHMs having access to just Aquaveil (and Fluid Aura) drowned Eorzea.

[RyanCousland]

I denied it and it was really easy.

Nowhere at all in the game is it stated the War of the Magi had fewer water spells being cast and that's what caused the flood or that modern mages are purposefully avoiding water magic because of its links to the flood.

The easiest answer to players not having anything for water spells beyond Aquaveil, Suiton/Meisui, and BLU spells is that is was a decision from the gameplay designers rather than the writers for some reason leaving it as subtext in the lore and never talking about it outright despite how important such a fact would be. You would think that 1/6th of the elemental table being purposefully left out of the game due to story reasons would have been explicitly stated some time in the past 10 years of ARR at least, but it's not.

To suggest that gameplay mechanics are behind unexplained bits of story is like suggesting that the city-states are tiny because you can walk across them in 2 minutes in-game and there's <100 or so NPCs. Unless the game actually states something, I'm not going to take some random player's personal fanon as fact.

kinda analogous to how SMN cant use Ramuh or Levi, loving this nerd battle btw, Team Mikko/Midi FtW