Yoshida gives update on the benchmark/character creator

[angienessyo]

The members of the JP and even the NA/EU communities that take their time to clearly draw out and redline the specific issues people have are superstars. I think the main issue we're running into here is JP mostly has one big thread for feedback and it's primarily feedback that's done in a professional way. It's the kind of feedback teachers would give students in art school. Whereas here on NA we do have some awesome feedback with drawings and stuff too, but our problem is we have like 800 threads and some of them get buried by the "my character is ruined I am going to cry/I'm crying" hyperbole.

With that said they do listen to NA/EU. I mean, we got a new deep dungeon in Endwalker+the criterion dungeons specifically because NA asked for that kind of content. We just aren't currently making it easy on them with our 8 million topics.

[Moqi]

If we don't approach this topic accepting that what we need is compromise instead of our every whim accounted for and fixed to our specific taste, we're never gonna get anywhere, and people are gonna remain upset, no matter what they do.

Why are you talking like this is a decision that we're all making together? *We* don't need to do anything but give our own feedback of our own playing experience. I could not care less what you like or dislike or who it upsets, I don't play this game and pay my sub based on anyone's interests but my own and I'm not interested in the devs listening to what anyone else has to say either. It's my own free time and I'm in it for my own entertainment.

[Moqi]

I speak the way I do because people like you need to understand that you're no more special than any other paying costumer. The devs aren't gonna tailor make the game for you based on your personal experience, or anyone else's for that matter. Everyone's feedback matters, and they will implement as much of everyone's feedback as they can to the vision they have for the game.

If you can't understand that and are not willing to accept that you won't get exactly what you want, then I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm wasting my time with you. Take care and good luck.

Everyone's feedback matters to the devs. No one's feedback matters to me. You seem to be under the impression that you're anything more than a paying customer for a product and trying to mediate between other people's wants and expectation of the product they're paying for and the devs' work is downright bizzare. Just who do you think you are, exactly?

I don't need to do anything but sit here and wait for the product to be delivered to me and if it's to my liking I'll keep consuming it, and if not I won't. Whatever goes on in the kitchen is not my business. If the pizza is bad I'm not coming back to that place, no matter how hard they worked to make it tasty for someone else.

Remember what I said about concern trolling?
Coming into threads for feedback and saying "I support your feedback but what about the people who are happy but aren't giving feedback? Are you considering them when you ask for changes?" is exactly that.

It's like a reverse Karen telling I don't need to speak to the manager. Like... lady, who asked you? Mind your business. The manager invited me.

[VerdeLuck]

Why are you talking like this is a decision that we're all making together? *We* don't need to do anything but give our own feedback of our own playing experience. I could not care less what you like or dislike or who it upsets, I don't play this game and pay my sub based on anyone's interests but my own and I'm not interested in the devs listening to what anyone else has to say either. It's my own free time and I'm in it for my own entertainment.

Remember what I said about concern trolling?
Coming into threads for feedback and saying "I support your feedback but what about the people who are happy but aren't giving feedback? Are you considering them when you ask for changes?" is exactly that.

[AirisRay]

Remember what I said about concern trolling?
Coming into threads for feedback and saying "I support your feedback but what about the people who are happy but aren't giving feedback? Are you considering them when you ask for changes?" is exactly that.

Exactly! All these people appear under each of our posts, even the most detailed ones with a large number of images and descriptions of the problem, and express their "expert" opinion regarding our complaint. Completely forgetting or ignoring the fact that no one cares about their opinion at all. We came here to leave a message for SE on their official forum. We didn't come here to discuss our characters' new looks with someone.

It is these people who turn the forum into chaos, in which for one picture there are a dozen meaningless answers and flood that simply hide information from the developers.

Insults, the standard remark "it’s the same picture", questions like "whose opinion should be a priority?" and other similar things are everywhere here.

There seems to be no moderation here at all. This is simply impossible on a Japanese forum. I have seen meaningless messages being deleted almost immediately.

[Arkdra]

If we don't approach this topic accepting that what we need is compromise instead of our every whim accounted for and fixed to our specific taste, we're never gonna get anywhere, and people are gonna remain upset, no matter what they do.

I think this is pretty much the inevitable outcome. I think SE will do everything they can to make the new characters look as close to the old ones as they reasonably can. I hope most people's complaints get addressed! But I find it super unlikely that most peoples characters come out of it with a truly 1:1 outcome and people should probably come to terms with that.

The benchmark was a bit of a self-own though. Really foolish to release it with the same outdated lighting that was already abysmal in the current game.

Edit: Like I've seen multiple people over the years who make something they are happy with in the character creator now who get out into the actual game and immediately have to blow a fantasia because the creator is twilight zone lighting. Vaguely hopeful that whatever they do for the benchmark re-release goes live.

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

You literally don't know that. You seriously think you can just pop a PS3 model with half the triangles and make it work seamlessly with a new rig tailor made for a new model?

yeah like, if anyone says "it's not hard" or "it's not difficult" or "I'm not asking for too much" or any other awful dumb assumptions about something tech-related, at this point my reaction is to ignore them, because that kind of downplaying of the real effort it takes to do most things in tech is both endemic (and worse with Gamers) and also speaks to profound ignorance of the process.