Feedback Blacklist Improvements in 7.0

[ElliotGardner]

So the way those improvements work is that if you list someone after 7.0 onto the blacklist, you cannot see their character model as well as their messages.
From what I understand this does NOT prevent the blacklisted player to find you in the player search and seeing your character in the overworld. You just happen to not having a clue if they\\'re actually standing behind you or tracking you or not.

People have been asking for ways to deal with harassment and those improvements do not change a single thing.
While it is a good thing that the blacklisted player is completely hidden to the person blacklisting them - the blacklisted player themself is still completely capable of stalking you. And the "best part" is, they can creep up on you without you even noticing.

I\\'d suggest to even further improve the blacklist to also work the other way around. If Person A is blacklisting Person B, not only is Person B invisible from Person A - but also Person A is completely invisible for Person B. Ingame, in chat, player search etc.

[Raim]

I'm missing something and I am asking this in good faith. If we cannot see their characters, why would we care if they are near us? It isn't like they can do anything to affect our characters. Or is there?

They can still target you and apply buffs/heals which will probably indicate they're there. They can still follow you around reading your chat to try and see if they can wait for you to say something remotely reportable. I think blacklisted people should also not be able to see anything you write in chat, outside of instances.

[Johners]

They can still target you and apply buffs/heals which will probably indicate they're there. They can still follow you around reading your chat to try and see if they can wait for you to say something remotely reportable. I think blacklisted people should also not be able to see anything you write in chat, outside of instances.

The game still has to be functional though. You can't honestly expect Square Enix to make the blacklist an enforced do not interact. The logic they'd have to build into the duty finder would be insane to ensure no blacklisted players ever got grouped together. Blacklisting someone and not seeing their model is a huge change which solves the vast majority of problems without requiring entire systems to otherwise be rebuilt.

[Isala]

The game still has to be functional though. You can't honestly expect Square Enix to make the blacklist an enforced do not interact. The logic they'd have to build into the duty finder would be insane to ensure no blacklisted players ever got grouped together. Blacklisting someone and not seeing their model is a huge change which solves the vast majority of problems without requiring entire systems to otherwise be rebuilt.

Funny. That's how literally every other AAA MMO does it, why do we not expect SE to join the 21st century?

[Loggos]

I'm missing something and I am asking this in good faith. If we cannot see their characters, why would we care if they are near us? It isn't like they can do anything to affect our characters. Or is there?

I think people might be uncomfortable if stalkers can still track your moves and behaviours and draw conclusions (or make up false claims) based on that. Depending on the individual cases some stalkers could use that information in some unwanted ways or spread (misleading) info/said false claims to other players in and outside the game. I know this sounds very abstract right now but I can imagine that there are specific situations or constellations where this could be an issue (e.g., if there are already existing issues/tensions/frictions in an FC or social circle someone could make claims based on where and when a player was interacting with certain other players and pit them against each other).

I have no idea for a solution regarding the blacklist, I'm just trying to speculate why it could still feel bad for people btw.

[Loggos]

My would-be harassers would be extraordinarily bored.

Yeah I'm sure in many cases the new feature is a good solution. I don't intend to say it's bad. I do think that there are very specific scenarios that might seem out there right now (or that I just can't think of atm) that might make someone feel better if the other person couldn't see them either though. But I don't know how hard it is to implement something like this so I'm not saying what we are about to get is terrible at all.
I'm very happy that they made such extensive changes already. The feature to blank out names and give you the choice to read their chat messages in duties where you are "forced" to play with them is already a lot more elaborate than anything I'd have imagined. So I think they put a lot of thought into it.

[ElliotGardner]

Technically you're right, but -
I was trying to having a view of the player being harassed. If I'd be the one I would want them to not being able to interact with me in any shape or form. That includes tracking my current location, taking screenshots of my character, not to mention seeing what I'm currently doing.
That isn't all about not being able to affect our characters - it's about having the opportunity to shut down harassment completely, if that makes sense.