New healers skills

[Zaytex]

My gripe with Scholar is how you're incentivised to not use your healing tools with aetherflow because you want to use ED x3, even if the damage is little (300 potency extra per minute). Sage feels better because it's DPS buttons are not tied to that, i.e Phlegma.

But honestly, shielders aren't my preferred anyway - I main and much prefer AST/WHM over SGE/SCH, but I will say SGE feels more smooth and better to play than SCH, but I don't want SCH mains to lose what makes their healer fun - clunky isn't always a bad thing.

[rawker]

A little economics review. What is Opportunity Cost?

the loss of potential gain from other alternatives when one alternative is chosen.

Aetherflow stacks, well technically all of SCH's resources are like that. That's the beauty of SCH.

[Aravell]

My gripe with Scholar is how you're incentivised to not use your healing tools with aetherflow because you want to use ED x3, even if the damage is little (300 potency extra per minute). Sage feels better because it's DPS buttons are not tied to that, i.e Phlegma.

And this is what I'm talking about. It's a differing mentality thing.

If you see ED as a baseline 300 potency per minute that you're losing whenever you have to heal, it's obvious that you're going to have gripes with it. But if you see the 300 potency as a bonus you gain if you use your other healing tools well to cover the damage, suddenly you don't mind using Indom/Soil anymore.

ED is not the problem, it offers choice to the player. If the player makes a bad choice, that is not the fault of the design, that is the player's own fault. If someone chooses to ED when an Indom would save their cohealer a Medica 2 cast, they've chosen to gain 100 potency at the expense of 310 of their cohealer's potency, resulting in a net negative party dps of 210. That's what happens when you have a choice, sometimes you make a suboptimal one, and that's ok.

[Supersnow845]

I’m really don’t get what’s so exciting about not having that choice anyway

Like okay yes it can feel bad when something goes wrong and you lose out on energy drains you had planned to use but would you genuinely prefer to just not have that limitation and vomit out limitless healing with zero downsides while you continue to smack dosis

It’s not even like phlegma is compensation because there is no skill behind pressing phlegma or decision making

I’m confused as to why people both go “healer damage is boring” but also “I want my heals to be completely disconnected from damage so I never have to make a choice on that front”, like you are actively encouraging yourself to use more boring damage actions with that philosophy

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

And this is what I'm talking about. It's a differing mentality thing.

If you see ED as a baseline 300 potency per minute that you're losing whenever you have to heal, it's obvious that you're going to have gripes with it. But if you see the 300 potency as a bonus you gain if you use your other healing tools well to cover the damage, suddenly you don't mind using Indom/Soil anymore.

ED is not the problem, it offers choice to the player. If the player makes a bad choice, that is not the fault of the design, that is the player's own fault. If someone chooses to ED when an Indom would save their cohealer a Medica 2 cast, they've chosen to gain 100 potency at the expense of 310 of their cohealer's potency, resulting in a net negative party dps of 210. That's what happens when you have a choice, sometimes you make a suboptimal one, and that's ok.

This is one of the reason why I tend to trust healer combined damage more than a single healer performance

[OliviaLugria]

Saying that only sch requires pre planning is just not true. And good healer player will pre plan the entire fight with the healer he plays after doing it for some time. I don’t mind if you like sch or any other job. It’s just my opinion that sch was a way more fun job in stormblood and became clunky because they didn’t like that the job had actual pet management that did feel meaningful. Like if you think we dictate anyone or anything because I at least have a different opinion on sch from stormblood and before then I don’t know what to say. Play whatever job you like but don’t assume that people that have a different opinion dictate you anything. This is just a childish response and arguing in bad faith.

Gods, I miss stormblood. That scholar... that job was my love, and every expansion is just me wishing to catch a glimmer of what it was back then.

[Somnolence]

This is a place to leave feedback to developers. If you enjoy current SCH, say that. Those that don't will say that and SE will see what to do with the data.

The only data that matters is game metrics. If you whine yet still play then metrics remain unchanged.

Its harsh, but that is how corporate software development works in general - customer complaints that can be ignored get ignored.

[Moqi]

The only data that matters is game metrics. If you whine yet still play then metrics remain unchanged.

Its harsh, but that is how corporate software development works in general - customer complaints that can be ignored get ignored.

Nothing wrong with that. I'm not a big fan of scholar, but I'm not gonna stop playing because of that one thing. I'll leave feedback here and they'll do with it whatever they want. When all these little things start piling up, I'll reconsider paying my sub (like I have in the past and will continue to do). If enough people stop, they can come here, look for answers and change, or I'll just find something else to play.

This is FFXIV after all; they know damn well what happens when people don't want to play their game, it happened once already.

[WaxSw]

It seems we are getting upgrades to the aoe GCD, changes to Emergency tactics, Temperance and presence of mind (those buttons get replaced by other under certain status, like tank stance), chain strat changes to other skill under certain status, and sage gets 2 new buttons but no toxikon 3 so it seems the new attack shown is its own thing

[Raikai]

My gripe with Scholar is how you're incentivised to not use your healing tools with aetherflow because you want to use ED x3, even if the damage is little (300 potency extra per minute). Sage feels better because it's DPS buttons are not tied to that, i.e Phlegma.

But honestly, shielders aren't my preferred anyway - I main and much prefer AST/WHM over SGE/SCH, but I will say SGE feels more smooth and better to play than SCH, but I don't want SCH mains to lose what makes their healer fun - clunky isn't always a bad thing.

In theory, the choice between damage or healing is fine, but when applied to the way that encounters are designed in XIV, it just feels unrewarding whenever you need 'free resources' to heal instead of damage.