7.0 Graphic Update - Elezen feedback

[DNSDies]

- The ears glow in peach tones when that's not my skin tone

That's how light works.
Red/Infrared light penetrates deeper into skin than other narrower wavelengths.
Any subsurface scattering on thin skin will appear red. It doesn't matter what color your skin is, when it's as thin as an ear, it will appear red.

You can observe this by holding your hand up to an extremely bright light.

[Tsumdere]

Fantastic writeup Liamont!

That's how light works.
Red/Infrared light penetrates deeper into skin than other narrower wavelengths.
Any subsurface scattering on thin skin will appear red. It doesn't matter what color your skin is, when it's as thin as an ear, it will appear red.

You can observe this by holding your hand up to an extremely bright light.

Seconding this with an example. Black cats have grey/black skin underneath their fur. Light shining through their ears is red.
It's very cool and cute.



Please don't remove the ear glow!

[Chasingstars]

Yes, only face 1 currently has dark circles for Duskwights, the rest doesn't. While for Wildwood all faces have them. It honestly looks like they just took the textures for Wildwoods and applied those to Duskwights as well.

Wildwood on the left, Duskwight on the right:

Wildwood: So very tired of just everything.
Duskwight: Aside from tension with the surface and adders, rest and relaxation.

[SpiritMuse]

Updated the first post with the compiled feedback. Will be updating the links in each category as feedback comes in.

Thank you so much for doing all this work to compile all our posts! Though it seems a couple of the links are broken, specifically the ones that show a url instead of something like "example 1".

[Jessica_VS]

Guys, my elezen looks totally different after these changes and I don't feel like she's the same character anymore. See, her chin has been radically altered and changing the lighting doesn't help!

[Ericamber]

I would like to see the lines under my eyes removed as in face 3; the shadows lightened.

Face 2 became a new man. Duskwight have become Wildwood.



I also wrote it in Japanese.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6445020

現在のシェーダー顔タイプ２・２顔は目の下の皺が薄く、影がない顔つきです。
ベンチマークでは、皺が濃くなり、影ができ、目元の涼やかさが失われてしまいました。

フェイスペイントで多少目尻部分は明るくできますが、目頭や瞳の下に不自然な影が残ります。

顔タイプ２だけではなく、シェーダー族全体の目の影が強くなり
フォレスターとシェーダーの違いが肌色と眉下の影の濃さしかないように見えます。

[Trager24]

It's amazing to me how stark the difference is in my case. The face has lost all definition and become super flat. I'm very displeased.



Top is old, backlit then frontlit. Bottom is new, same order.

Duskwight face 3
Hair colour: Row 2 Col 4

With the shadows being toned down in the new version it really looks like a different character (to me at least).

The freckles (or pores, idk) seem more pronounced than they used to be.
Eyebrows might have changes a little, I'm not sure.
The eyelashes have been removed/reduced significantly from the upper lid
The tattoo suggests that the iris size has been made smaller? That or the tattoo has become thicker.
The inner ear shapes have changed entirely. this one doesn't bother me, just something I noticed.

[Velaneth]

Here's my WoL. On the left is the benchmark, on the right is live. I've tried to match lighting/position as best as possible. His options are:

Wildwood Elezen Male
Height 38
Skin color: 1,1
Hair color: 12,6 | Highlights 12, 4
Face: 2
Jaw: 1
Eyes: 4
Iris size: Large
Eye color: 19, 2
Brows: 4
Nose: 4
Mouth: 4
Lip color: None
Ear shape: 1
Ear size: 100
Ear clasp color: 1, 7

Look how dead and lifeless his eyes look. He's in direct sun - There should be plenty of light reflecting in his eyes, but there's basically none. The catchlights on male elezen in particular, and really everyone, need to be turned WAY up. Dynamic is a great idea! But even in indirect light you still get light bouncing into your eye and reflecting. Make it more the size it was before and keep it from getting eaten by the new eyelashes and sure.

But those dead eyes aren't all, oh no.

- His chin is different, and you see it even more in the side shot below how much the profile has changed.
- His nose is narrower and shorter.
- The lip shape has changed significantly.
- The eyebrows are different, especially at the outer point.
- The eyes are different. The shape has changed. Someone's given him botox and concealer, where are the darker shades around his eyes? And the lines? And of course the catchlights...
- The ears are different. The tips are shaped differently, the folds of the ear itself appear differently.
- The ear clasps have changed shape and color. They also don't sit right.
- His skin color has changed.
- His hair is duller and feels darker.

Side and inside shots:


Look at that chin and nose.



You can see the lip shape better here I think. And his eyes have more light reflection inside than outside.

But it's not just my WoL getting hit, of course, it's everyone. Even your favorite NPCs! Look at poor Haurchefant here:




It's so painful.

A final bit of pain:


An adventurous smirk looks creepier and more terrifying than my WoL literally being possessed.

This is not my WoL, devs. I don't know who this person is, but he's not the character I've loved for years. Please don't take my beloved WoL from me.

[Antharaes]

Guys, my elezen looks totally different after these changes and I don't feel like she's the same character anymore. See, her chin has been radically altered and changing the lighting doesn't help!

[TeaDodo]

First of all, I want to thank the team for quickly acknowledging the issues! However, a lot of the things frequently brought up in the forums were not mentioned, and while I hope that was done to make the announcement digestible, I would like to re-affirm some of them just in case.

A
-"Dead eyes" effect and skin glow issues are not limited to the character creation and are also noticed in the Benchmark itself.
- Some hair highlights drastically changed their shape and/or behavior in regards to color.
- Some hair look darker than others due to the updated textures and make hair color overall more inconsistent (especially crucial at the lightest and darkest ones, when further adjustment is impossible).
- A lot of face details: nose, lips, eyes, eyebrows and overall shape have been changed beyond what a texture or lighting affects.

B
- As was already multiple times mentioned in both EN and JP forums, addition of Wildwood dark circles to Duskwight faces. While I hope this was a texture mistake, I do want to accentuate that this part changes look of most characters drastically and erases one of the defining clan appearance differences.
- There's also an issue with how "eyeshadow" type facepaint behaves around new eyes, explained in-detail in this post , and I hope this will not go unnoticed.

Many eyeshapes for Duskwight elezens were affected by the issues under section B thus making an impression that the shape changed through excessively highlighting the outer bottom corner waterline (facepanit) or over-accentuating inner upper corner, making it much darker (dark circles in combination with more defined upper lid and nose bridge area).
However there're still modeling changes to size and/or shape of some of the eyes that go beyond that and are in further detail covered in this thread and I would appreciate if you take them into account.

In my case, a rough edit to remove dark circles and change to the original brow shape has pretty much brought back the original impression of the character despite slight changes to the eyeshape. (Sorry for he poor quality but I believe this is enough to bring my point across)



I hope this feedback would provide useful and thank you again for listening to our concerns. I would be looking forward to the updated Benchmark and thank you for providing us an opportunity to look at the addressed issues before the expansion release!