7.0 Graphic Update - Elezen feedback

**cakesphere** · 04-15-2024 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by linesthatinterlace

This thread is full of people posting pictures of two identical Elezen and saying they're completely different. It's baffling to me. Ultimately this is why they're going to give people a free Fantasia: if you've formed a particular attachment with your current face of course it's going to want some tweaking, but at the end of the day this is just the way of things with any graphics update.

Nobody asked you??? Sometimes the kindest thing is to keep your thoughts to yourself. This thread is for feedback and we're giving our feedback.

**Liamont** · 04-15-2024 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by linesthatinterlace

This thread is full of people posting pictures of two identical Elezen and saying they're completely different. It's baffling to me. Ultimately this is why they're going to give people a free Fantasia: if you've formed a particular attachment with your current face of course it's going to want some tweaking, but at the end of the day this is just the way of things with any graphics update.

Just because you personally cannot see the difference does not mean that people who have spent years with their character do not see a massive difference. For me at least, I specifically chose an eyebrow that was straight, but now it's tapered/thicker. Am I not allowed to express my displeasure with them changing something that is, to me, a very important feature of my character?

And now there is no amount of tweaking that I can do to fix this, because there are no longer straight eyebrow options.

None of us asked either to have a graphical update, I personally did not even expect for one to happen. So to have something forced on me like this is rather upsetting, and I'd prefer we let the devs know that a fair number of us are unhappy instead of not saying anything and then they do not know that there are things that we wish to be fixed.

**linesthatinterlace** · 04-15-2024 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Liamont

Just because you personally cannot see the difference does not mean that people who have spent years with their character do not see a massive difference. For me at least, I specifically chose an eyebrow that was straight, but now it's tapered/thicker. Am I not allowed to express my displeasure with them changing something that is, to me, a very important feature of my character?

And now there is no amount of tweaking that I can do to fix this, because there are no longer straight eyebrow options.

None of us asked either to have a graphical update, I personally did not even expect for one to happen. So to have something forced on me like this is rather upsetting, and I'd prefer we let the devs know that a fair number of us are unhappy instead of not saying anything and then they do not know that there are things that we wish to be fixed.

What I'm saying is exactly the same as what you are: of course you're going to notice the difference of a face you spend hours and hours and hours staring at. It would be very strange if you got exactly the same look, honestly: I had to rework my character a little until she looked right again, and I'll definitely be taking the chance of the free Fantasias to make the change.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't be unhappy. I'm just saying that - while they should fix the obvious glitches - your standard for "my character looks the same" is going to be much higher than that of anyone else for your character. The graphical update is happening; none of us have any choice about it; feedback isn't going to address the myriad small issues (things like eyebrow tweaks!) that people have. If you look at any HD remake or remaster of a game, this kind of thing happens - it isn't surprising it has here. I just think we should make emotional peace with the change.

**Mecia** · 04-15-2024 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by linesthatinterlace

This thread is full of people posting pictures of two identical Elezen and saying they're completely different. It's baffling to me. Ultimately this is why they're going to give people a free Fantasia: if you've formed a particular attachment with your current face of course it's going to want some tweaking, but at the end of the day this is just the way of things with any graphics update.

I agree on like 90% of peoples characters for all races. Reinha here posted what was in my opinion the clearest change in appearance but even then its an easy fix for SE.

They said changes wouldnt be drastic and they really arent for the majority but people somehow came to expect carbon copies. Its a miracle most are as close as they are considering the scope of changes like shading and increased poly counts.

**chicinlicin** · 04-15-2024 07:31 PM

throwing my guy in, for the most part i'm happy but yeah like what's been said before i really don't like how strong the dark under eye is on face 2 duskwight, just makes it the same as wildwood faces

current | benchmark

it's a bit jarring going from nothing to something so heavy

**cakesphere** · 04-15-2024 08:31 AM

Chiming in to say my duskwight looks horribly washed out even with the gamma set to 50 (which is remarkable because I literally fantasia'd to deepen his skintone recently so he wouldn't be so washed out in bright lighting). Whatever they did to the lighting engine, I do not like it. I also really am missing his facial angles as they all seem to have been sanded off. Very disappointing and not sure what I'm going to do going forward. This sucks.

**Amariyali** · 04-15-2024 08:54 AM

I am one of the (sadly) few people who are actually really happy with the change.
Like yes he looks different but not so different that I dislike anything too much.

In my case, lighting changes a lot of how my chara looks and I noticed that in the CC the lighting now changes if you wait long enough (at least the Limsa one does? Like if there is an actual small weather or day cycle going on) In the screen I took the light looks pretty yellow in comparison hence why his skin looks more green-ish, a screen I took 5 minutes later looks significantly different.

So the Pros for me are:

The upgrade on the ears are the best thing, ngl

Eyebrows showing up better

General texture upgrade looks great

The area around the eyes having more definition with little wrinkles and such

Neutral:

The nose. It lost a bit of character, especially in the front view, but I don't hate it too much

In a similar vein, lips loosing some definition though the lip color option can somewhat counteract that and is also heavily lighting dependant imo

The new eye texture sure makes things look off at first, but that's something I can personally get used to

Con:

The loss of the cheekbones, even if it not the most extreme case with my character but even I notice it when looking at him

The plastic-y skin glow, especially on dark skin. Also depending on the light but it's noticable in the face and even worse on the body

After looking at it for a while, I am not that much of a fan of the dynamic catchlights. It looks more realistic yes, but unless the light hit's juuuust right, which is rarely the case, the eyes just look lifeless. I think more static catchlights like before would be better for this type of game or maybe a combined solution? Just something to make the eyes more expressive in lowe rlight situations.

The missing shine on the lip colors. I think before it was TOO much but now it just seems completely gone. Maybe making the shine toggleable would be a solution here bc some ppl like the shine and some want matte lips

While not a concern for my character due to his very dark grey skin, but the shadows beneath the eyes on Duskwights should be reverted how it was before. While I like the details added like wrinkles and more dimension, the shadow is unecessary.

More of general things that caught my eye:

Light colors like white on dark lips still looking like clown make up and not like lipstick

The textures on a lot of long hairsytles (Like Emmanelains and Artoirels hair) just look like they haven't been updated much yet? Probably subject to change but I thought I'd point it out.

Less to do with the character model but while the lighting on dark skin is improved, in some situations it still looks way too dark. For me especially in the opening close up there are some pretty harsh shadows

All in all I am pretty happy with the change on MY character. I know what to tweak to make him look more to my liking (adding lip color, making the eyes a shade lighter) and I can live with the rest.

But I also think that critique is fair and know that not everyone feels like this, so I hope there is still time to tweak some things and that stuff like the animations on F!Elezen mouths are more of a bug/glitch/unpolished job more than anything else.

**MascheRano** · 04-15-2024 10:31 AM

There's this dirty texture that wasn't there before on the female elezen starter clothes, and it's super noticeable on white:

And her left thumb is mysteriously blackened for some reason, this issue doesn't appear on the other racial starting gear:

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