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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    I guess we can agree to disagree, not all feedback is good feedback. Good feedback describes the actual problem, not a subjective view of how a lip's identity got changed. That is not helpful. Saying that the lip's form got altered from the original and showing how IS helpful. People need to be exact in what they are having a problem with because feelings can be interpreted in a number of ways. And from a design standpoint, those are usually being thrown away as nothing more than rambles. I did say that people should keep voicing their problems with the update, the devs need that to make it better (the squeaky wheel gets the grease, you know), but if you scatter the feedback you have in a thread like "Show your" chances are they will not look. Especially since the title does not add a specific mention of having any feedback in.
    And the thread did get derailed, from people showing their before and after and some added comments on how they feel about it, to putting up a billboard of all the problems that they found by plastering over pictures of different characters to use as examples of how horrible the update is and add essays of every minuscule thing that upsets them. As well as creating an echo chamber where if you question people or say their characters look good, you get words put in your mouth and made as the bad guy, cause how dare you think my character looks good in the update! It's a lot of subjective complaints trying to appear as valid feedback. Everyone can be a critic, but it takes a lot of work to be a good critic. Take a step back, gather the information and put it in a format that is bereft of subjective thought and make sure it is concise. Then make a new thread and explain your points, no one wants for others to hate their characters, people just don't see eye to eye with you. So you need to make the effort to show them why instead of appealing to their feelings. Because they don't feel the same attachment, especially if they like the update as is.

    I hope they listen to your complaints and find a middle ground, but you have to tell them in a way that can be easily understood and visible. Again a show your thread will probably not catch the attention of the devs when they are looking for feedback. However, an Au'Ra graphical update feedback thread would.
    The threads are not getting derailed because of people providing negative, if sometimes vague, feedback. They are getting derailed because those of us posting negative feedback, regardless of how thorough we are, are being forced to reiterate and argue our points again and again due to a seemingly endless wave of players telling us why our points aren't valid or our perception is incorrect or our comparisons are bad, etc etc etc. These threads would not be half as long if people were just allowed to express what they don't like and not be grilled on it, regardless of whether or not it meets your personal standards for feedback.
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    Let's try this again!

    It took the greater part of a week to figure out what to do with my main come Dawntrail, but I finally landed on something I'm happy with. I like it enough I'd probably Fantasia now if I had one.



    I'll miss the bunny animations but I'm ready for a new horizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kouren View Post
    Let's try this again!

    It took the greater part of a week to figure out what to do with my main come Dawntrail, but I finally landed on something I'm happy with. I like it enough I'd probably Fantasia now if I had one.



    I'll miss the bunny animations but I'm ready for a new horizon.
    Aw, sad to see you lose your bunny, but your Elezen looks great! Love the eye colour!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    Aw, sad to see you lose your bunny, but your Elezen looks great! Love the eye colour!
    Aw, thanks. That light, powder blue is awfully pretty.

    I'm a little sad too, in a bittersweet sort of way, but I had originally gone to Viera expecting it to be temporary. At the time, I thought I'd return to female Moonkeeper, and it surprised me when I felt like staying. But things change, and Elezen fits better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    If your explanation is as thorough as you imply, then why do you need to reexplain it so much? Could it be that it is not thorough or that well though out. Keep in mind that this is the English forum, not everyone's first language is English, so things may be lost in translation, hence why people might need a bit more of an explanation to see your view.
    Also, did you offer visual examples or used the "lips lost their identity" argument?
    Let me put it this way. People have created lots of good feedback, that is backed up by examples. And no one is questioning those.
    While a lot of people in these threads rant about lips's lost identity and pass it off as feedback. It is not my personal standard for feedback, it's the general standard for feedback, you learn it in school.
    Also no one stops you from saying you don't like the updates. Say it as much and loud as you want, I cannot physically stop you. In the same way you cannot stop people from challenging your points. You can choose to respond or not.

    I am not going to respond any further since I don't care enough to fight people on subjective views. Might post some of my characters when I will put them through the benchmark. Have a good one!
    Can you pick a topic and stick to it? We were talking about why the threads became bloated, not who has a right to speak their mind. Not to mention it's disingenuous bordering on gaslighting to say that people are making us rearticulate our points because we "aren't explaining well enough." It's been days and there are STILL people trying to claim that there have been no changes to the models and it's just the lighting despite hundreds of posts with evidence to the contrary.

    The point is, and I say this not for your sake because you won't understand anyway, critiquing other player's feedback is objectively unhelpful, because the developers are already capable of looking at feedback and determining for themselves whether the player has a point. They don't need the help of an army of vapid gaslighters.

    But I waste my time talking any further. I've done my community service by getting you off this thread so nobody else needs to put up with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kouren View Post
    Aw, thanks. That light, powder blue is awfully pretty.

    I'm a little sad too, in a bittersweet sort of way, but I had originally gone to Viera expecting it to be temporary. At the time, I thought I'd return to female Moonkeeper, and it surprised me when I felt like staying. But things change, and Elezen fits better now.
    I see, Elezen were done sooo good in this update! If female Hrothgar weren't released I would have been 100% tempted to make one myself. Truly stunning!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    I see, Elezen were done sooo good in this update! If female Hrothgar weren't released I would have been 100% tempted to make one myself. Truly stunning!
    Fact! But i've also been an Elezen (Elvaan) lover since my FFXI days, and many of my favorite NPCs in FFXIV are also Elezen. Suppose this sort of switch isn't particularly surprising.

    Hrothgals also look great, though! Well worth the wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kouren View Post
    Fact! But i've also been an Elezen (Elvaan) lover since my FFXI days, and many of my favorite NPCs in FFXIV are also Elezen. Suppose this sort of switch isn't particularly surprising.

    Hrothgals also look great, though! Well worth the wait.
    Amen brother!!! Hope you will enjoy your time in Dawntrail, I can't wait to explore Tural and go throughthe old zones again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kouren View Post
    Let's try this again!

    It took the greater part of a week to figure out what to do with my main come Dawntrail, but I finally landed on something I'm happy with. I like it enough I'd probably Fantasia now if I had one.



    I'll miss the bunny animations but I'm ready for a new horizon.
    For a second there before I read your post I was like "damn now this one really DOES look like a completely different character".
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    Quote Originally Posted by twobear View Post
    For a second there before I read your post I was like "damn now this one really DOES look like a completely different character".
    lol No misdirect intended. Here's the real before and after



    I would probably need to figure out how to change the character illumination to get a more direct comparison, but this will do.
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