Graphical Update Character Creator Feedback [Miqo'te Male]

[Meow_Seph]

Agree, I think the lips look off.

The bottom lip is just a crescent attached to the upper lip lacking any of the natural curvature real lips have, I drew over my screenshot to emphasize it. This is the main point that bothers me about how bad it looks compared to the original

[statty]

(1. now, 2. benchmark)

Yeah, it just feels really different in the new graphics update in a way I'm not super fond of. :(
I think most of the things I have issues with people have already addressed (sleepy eyes, rounder face, lips are too defined/pursed/I also don't like how it gives the face a slight smile). They also made the eyebrows thinner.

[BasalIntegral]

The face is slightly more rounded due to softer curves and less sharp edges.
The lips don't look as wide and also more.. plump? Am I using that word correctly?

Your Benchmark screenshot seems to be taken from a lower angle, so the eyebrows look more rounded and less sharp.
This could however be due to the lower angle.

I did it haphazardly because of the hour, these should be more accurate. For posterity

[dolldemons]

posting my own comparisons to piggyback onto this thread
left is 7.0 and right is current graphics



face options are:

• jaw 4
• eye shape 1
• eyebrows 4
• nose 3
• mouth 2

the shape of the eyes look fine to me, however:

• jaw AND chin shape look way different. jaw looks too rounded and chin looks "pointier". it gives an overall softer look, which i'm sure some people like, but i would prefer the facial structure to look closer to the original with the wider jaws and rounder chin
• eyebrows look thinner. i like thicker brows, and this is one of the only options to have them (barring the face paint which is just too low quality/coloured inaccurately for me to like using)
• as many others have pointed out, the mouth shape looks totally different. this is the thicker lips option, but it looks a bit too thin, and way too "smiley", at least compared to the original. i think something closer to the original shape of the lips but with the current textures would look much better, as it would retain the more neutral expression
• i JUST noticed that the stripes on the face paint don't align with the clan marks anymore, which is one of the reasons why i picked that face paint in the first place. please put them a little higher and realign them with the clan marks!
• speaking of, the quality of the face textures still look quite bad. i was hoping the clan marks would look a little crisper/more defined, but they're still quite pixelated and blurry

while the models definitely look a bit higher quality, i don't like how they've sacrificed some of the stylistic choices that made my character what he is i hope they can find a happy medium but right now i'm pretty disappointed with most of the changes

EDIT: as other people have pointed out i've come to realize that yeah the cc doesn't give the new stuff justice, it looks a bit better in the actual benchmark trailer. however i still can't get used to the different jaw/chin shape maybe with time i'll get over it and find myself liking it but atm im a bit annoyed that the bottom of his face has a completely different structure

[glitteringcosmos]

Problems:

- dead eyes, they're not as bright as original
- eye shape is wrong, they've completely altered the shape of them
- the lids are lower making him look high and/or sleepy perpetually
- they've softened the jawline and the angular shape of his face is part of what makes him him
- his nose is a completely different shape, shorter and wider when it's supposed to be long and straight (again back to the softening of the angles)
- his lips are weird and now look like he's giving perpetual duck face
- they're reduced the saturation of the tattoos on his cheeks, which are essential to his whole character

on the whole it's just AWFUL. awful awful awful. Which is sad because face 1 male miqo'te look MUCH more like their current version counterparts, though still have the lack of eyeshine problem and have the entirely different problem of the nerf to their fangs.



Overall, just extremely unhappy

More detailed examples:







Not noted in these are the changes to the lips/mouth shape, but honestly while it bothers me that it was changed, it's the change that bothers me the least. Least of all the evils, if you will.

ETA: Now that I'm looking even closer, the jaw shape isn't just softer, it's shorter as well. Ugh.

[Zeakington]

made this so i could prove to myself that it wasn't all in my head lol
and sharing it here as it displays just how much the face shape has been stretched out

[BrnctKhei]

I posted in another thread but I may as well be a squeaky wheel here too.

While the CC makes my boy look terrible, he looks better in the trailer itself and while I agree with everything saud here so far, I'm pretty sure I could get used to the changes in time.. save one..

All the other stock hairstyles that have dark tipped ears look fine except the one I use. I know it's not the most popular but he's had it since he was rolled and the dark tips are one of my favorite features.

Current on left. Benchmark on right.



I'm not keen on the overly dark shadows in the eyes that kinda ruin the vertical pupils that is the suncat trait. Also not keen on the widened mouth and whatever the hell was done to the lips but the big thing that is absolutely crushing me is his dark ear tips having been bleached out.

I was told to turn the gamma down but even at 0 his ears are not dark tipped.

I know it's a stupid deail to get hung up on but I really don't want the update if it's going to ruin my baby boy. I'm really attached to his current look. Stupid, I know, but I expected better textures and lighting not altering the actual sculpt and colors.

[Tyonto]

Also mentioned this in another thread but since it's another male Miqo'te specific hairstyle:

I think the hairstyle overall looks better but when looking at it from some angles, especially from the front, the hair over the forehead does not look organic or like it belongs there, like pieces of hair coming down. The positioning seems like it's pretty much the same currently, it just doesn't come across how it does with the update due to how blurry it all is.
When viewed from the profile or from above it's not nearly as noticable to me, and the gap between the hair and the forehead that is there presently seems like it's gone now when viewing from profile.




In regards to pretty much everything else I'm quite pleased. Face 4, Jaw 2, Eyes 3, Eyebrows 2, Nose 3, Mouth 2, Facial Features 2 and 5.
I do think the expression while idle in the character creator looks a bit jarring. However while emoting in the benchmark the facial expressions feel pretty much the same or better, imo, and it still very much feels like my character.
I've seen people mention the shading around the eyes feeling off and I use Face Paint 1, dark black in addition to Facial Feature 2 so I suppose it's not something I would notice if so.

[Glitchima]

Contributing to this thread - Face 4 has some of the most noticeable changes, and it's kind of hard for me to adjust to the new look :c
I would love if some of these things could be looked at again and reconsidered!
The one thing I didn't add onto the images themselves is that the eye shape is somehow different as well




The part around the brow/top of the nose(? not quite sure what the name of that is) is kind of smoothened out a bit too much I think. I could almost live with some of the other changes but this is the one face I wish they kept sharp as it is in the original.



The mouth being changed to a sort of smug looking face is to me already enough to make them look already different from their original looks... I almost feel like this could've been face 5 rather than having face 4 be so drastically changed...

[Kouren]

I posted in another thread but I may as well be a squeaky wheel here too.

While the CC makes my boy look terrible, he looks better in the trailer itself and while I agree with everything saud here so far, I'm pretty sure I could get used to the changes in time.. save one..

All the other stock hairstyles that have dark tipped ears look fine except the one I use. I know it's not the most popular but he's had it since he was rolled and the dark tips are one of my favorite features.

For what it's worth, I'm as certain as I can be (without official confirmation) this is a bug. You can still see the dark tips in the benchmark, they're just so faded they're barely there. It looks to me like a transparency issue; one of several present in the benchmark environment.