7.0 Graphic Update - Elezen feedback

[Turtledeluxe]

Duskwight face 2 is the only Elezen face without dark circles (besides baby face). You can always play Wildwood for dark circles!

By adding dark circles, they have actually made them less unique and made similar to the other clan/face 1.

Idk, I feel like they always both had them. It is just that they don't show up in the old design. They look like under eye wrinkles. They do both have prominent eye circles now but i don't think they look the same at all. These are softer.

Actually idk, maybe the eyes are just bigger. I can't tell lmao. The hair does get in the way a little vs the other pics.

[Liamont]

Idk, I feel like they always both had them. It is just that they don't show up in the old design. They look like under eye wrinkles. They do both have prominent eye circles now but i don't think they look the same at all. These are softer.

Actually idk, maybe the eyes are just bigger. I can't tell lmao. The hair does get in the way a little vs the other pics.

They most definitely did not both have them. Duskwights noticeably did not have dark circles on the old design and that's also why I used Duskwight for one of my characters.

[Turtledeluxe]

They most definitely did not both have them. Duskwights noticeably did not have dark circles on the old design and that's also why I used Duskwight for one of my characters.

Well I don't think "play this race for dark circles" makes any sense. I'm sorry you guys are mad but I think a better solution is letting people decide if they want their variation to have them or not. Maybe they should make some faces have them and some not, or diminish the shadow with a slider. Or both. I don't think "just keep it the same" is productive. It sounds like whining. And I hate to be that guy but a lot of the feedback seems like this. It's just unilateral "noop"

[Tsumdere]

Well I don't think "play this race for dark circles" makes any sense. I'm sorry you guys are mad but I think a better solution is letting people decide if they want their variation to have them or not. Maybe they should make some faces have them and some not, or diminish the shadow with a slider. Or both. I don't think "just keep it the same" is productive. It sounds like whining. And I hate to be that guy but a lot of the feedback seems like this. It's just unilateral "noop"

The option would be nice, but we're not getting new options. At least not for a while. When we get to 8.0 and they announce the character creator overhaul, then they can add the dark circle slider. For now, remove them.

It's better to please the current players of the race than maybe appealing to other people who don't play it.

[Liamont]

Well I don't think "play this race for dark circles" makes any sense. I'm sorry you guys are mad but I think a better solution is letting people decide if they want their variation to have them or not. Maybe they should make some faces have them and some not, or diminish the shadow with a slider. Or both. I don't think "just keep it the same" is productive. It sounds like whining. And I hate to be that guy but a lot of the feedback seems like this. It's just unilateral "noop"

Your suggestion of having some faces have them or not is exactly what we had in 6.58: Wildwood had dark circles, and Duskwight did not. The 7.0 benchmark removed that feature. Is it that difficult to understand that we are complaining about a feature that now has been removed?

I'm also assuming you do not play an elezen? Coming in here to call our legitimate complaints 'whining' does not do anything but make you look like someone who is unable to emphasize with the attachment people have with their characters. Would you be saying the same thing if your character was changed in a way that you did not like?

The option would be nice, but we're not getting new options. At least not for a while. When we get to 8.0 and they announce the character creator overhaul, then they can add the dark circle slider. For now, remove them.

It's better to please the current players of the race than maybe appealing to other people who don't play it.

Well said.

[Tsumdere]

Idk, I feel like they always both had them. It is just that they don't show up in the old design. They look like under eye wrinkles. They do both have prominent eye circles now but i don't think they look the same at all. These are softer.

Actually idk, maybe the eyes are just bigger. I can't tell lmao. The hair does get in the way a little vs the other pics.

Nope! Duskwights never had dark circles which is the reason why I chose Duskwight over Wildwood.



He's still very handsome, but it's not my boy as intended. I made him with the intent to be a fresh-faced young man, but he's certainly had some years/trauma added on for some reason.

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P.S. Sidenote - Found you you can use your original hair in benchmark by copying the character data from game straight into the benchmark folder. Really helped me hammer down that it was only the dark circles that were making him look like he went on a weekend bender.

[SpiritMuse]

Nope! Duskwights never had dark circles which is the reason why I chose Duskwight over Wildwood.

Yes, only face 1 currently has dark circles for Duskwights, the rest doesn't. While for Wildwood all faces have them. It honestly looks like they just took the textures for Wildwoods and applied those to Duskwights as well.

Wildwood on the left, Duskwight on the right:

[Tsumdere]

Yes, only face 1 currently has dark circles for Duskwights, the rest doesn't. While for Wildwood all faces have them. It honestly looks like they just took the textures for Wildwoods and applied those to Duskwights as well.

Wildwood on the left, Duskwight on the right:

I think you are right. I do think they copy and pasted the Wildwood textures.

I hold out hope because in the JP thread there is quite a few Duskwight players who are unhappy and posting about the dark circles making us look like Wildwood!

[Coulvre]

I have quite a few Elezen characters, so I'll try to summarise my opinions.

Overall, I'm very happy with the changes. I would agree about the Duskwight face textures - most of my characters are Duskwights so having that unique texture for them is great. That said, I don't really mind that as much as the "dead eye" look which is a common complaint among various races.



Here's one of my characters, before and after. I sort of miss the angular definition in his face, particularly around his mouth - that mouth shape is one of my favourites, but it's become much less unique now, it looks straighter instead of being curved down at the corners. But otherwise, I really like how he looks.



On a character with lighter skin, the lack of angles is actually a bonus, particularly around the cheekbone and chin area - previously they were very obvious in an unnatural way. So... I'm actually a bit conflicted on whether I like the whole face smoothening...

I like how the lips appear now (other than the mouth shape), and I like the ears.

Also in the above picture, the way the hairstyle casts a shadow on the forehead now looks strange because there's an obvious gap at the hairline that wasn't there before, but this probably isn't Elezen-specific. The hair texture upgrade is amazing though.



Speaking of hairstyles, I appreciate that they wanted to change this Elezen female hair so the ear doesn't clip through, but I think it needs some adjusting

[Varsaine]

All female duskwight faces (1 to 4, from left to right) show this visual bug when the face tattoos are made dark, it is easiest to see here when fully black. None of the four male face tattoos have this issue.




Female fuskwight faces 1, 3, and 4 (from left to right) show artifacting on the face tattoos. It is most obvious here, with a white tattoo on dark skin. Face 1 is especially egregious. In faces 3 and 4, it may look like I am circling nothing but there is in fact a white smudge that disappears when the tattoo is removed.

Edit: another white smudge on face 1: