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[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Explaining again... people want to chill and grind a little more level before doing job quest. Sometimes job quest is too hard to do Level 30. On DPS jobs its hard because you can't heal.

Also people have Level 20 gear, because the market board sellers are greedy and charge 50K for a single cloth item to wear. (You get 200 gil every quest reward. That is 2500 quests to get a single cloth item).

You are free to do so outside of dungeons above Lv30. If job quests are too hard, then you are not adequately geared. Haukke Manor gear as well as vendor gear in the respective zones will help, as for the "lack of healing":

- Melee DPS have access to Second Wind, Bloodbath and Feint for healing + mitigation and Leg Sweep for 3s stun.
- Ranged DPS have access to Second Wind and are able to kite enemies and can Heavy / Bind enemies that are annoying.
- Caster DPS have access to AOE Sleep to deal with enemies one by one. Black Mage gets Manaward (30% max HP as shield) at class quest Lv30, Summoner gets Radiant Aegis (20%) at Lv2.
- Tanks generally are tanky enough to handle most shenanigans with various defensive actions + they can stun enemies for 5s.
- Healers... heal. And have single-target sleep on demand.
- ALL OF THEM can use Mega-Potion and X-Potion sold by vendors to supplement more heals

I am deeply sorry, but every single issue that you have that you try to mitigate with grinding levels is remedied with going to the zone with mobs in that level range, buying vendor gear (accessories when available, too) and using health potions periodically before you get too low on HP (to cycle the cooldown).

[vetch]

What do you mean “train a little more”, your job stone at 30 is basically just a new skill, and half the time it’s just a free oGCD anyway, what are you training for

Completing a jobquest immediately and then having to hike back a second time after leveling up is a waste of time. The game already has enough 'teleport across the world and talk to a dude' moments in it that it's perfectly permissible to wait until you qualify for the next quest and save a trip.

"But aren't you wasting other peoples' time by not having the skill?"
Nah. I outperform 95% of roulette players just by maintaining uptime. Maybe if there were a job quest that taught about that it'd be worth doing right away.

[fulminating]

1) Job stones should start being mandatory at titan because the company of heroes's gating should actually be a gate.

2) no amount of ilvl sync can paper over the poorly designed mechanics or lack thereof
>2b) harsher sync devalues gear and melding, which can make jobs feel really bad even at level cap - dh melds being deleted, wonky sks tiering etc.
>>2bi) syncing could do with a once over before imposing this kind of change
>>>2bi1) sync will never address potency bloat - consider storm's path, its potency is now 440 from an initial point of 250 (176% of starting value).
>>>2bi2) Fundamental mechanics of the game have changed - TP is no longer a concern, nor aggro management, mp for the most part or boss positioning. The alliance raid composition isn't even the same now as it was then.
>>>2bi3) there's barely any jobs remaining as they were when lota etc were relevant. Several don't seem to have considered gameplay below 70 in their design.

3) 90 roulette could have 2 stacks and be combined with expert roulette. I don't think a full merge would work, because the function of roulettes is to fill queues.

4) add coils to mentor roulette

[PercibelTheren]

1) you are synced to 30 anyway. Why do you need to “chill” in brayflox, if you don’t want to do the job quest right then when you hit 30 go play another job till you feel ready to play it

2) buy stuff from the NPC vendors, you don’t need marketboard items at that level

Adding onto this, you get gear from doing sidequests if you're THAT pressed for it.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Oh the bait, lol.

But anyway... they absolutely can restrict the queue above lv30 (or at maximum lv50). Frontline/PvP queues already does that by straight up not allowing you to queue on basic classes. Or alternatively, set all weapons/gears lv50 and above to jobs so no basic classes can equip them. You've gotta be griefing hard and obviously to queue as basic classes at that point.

[Sea-Wolf]

1) you are synced to 30 anyway. Why do you need to “chill” in brayflox, if you don’t want to do the job quest right then when you hit 30 go play another job till you feel ready to play it

2) buy stuff from the NPC vendors, you don’t need marketboard items at that level

1) People sometimes are tired and want to like to do something 'chill' like Brayflox since it is easy. Job quests can KO you very easily.... if you epsecially are DPS, so I want to delay it until I'm mental ready.

2) Thank you I did not know.

[Sea-Wolf]

Because players should be held to a reasonable standard and given the benefits a job stone provides (guaranteed quest-based actions for class & job, higher base stats) it is prudent to have it one anyhow. Your or anyone's desire to "grind levels" for minimal benefits does not outweigh the baseline benefits of having a job stone and the lv30 job quest done. Grinding levels without upgrading your gear and getting your job stone does little.

Dzaemal Darkhold is Lv44-46, not Lv40. Even Stone Vigil, the dungeon that properly starts making use of tools, is Lv41-43. Many vital tools for early game are available at Lv30-35.

- Paladin gains Sheltron at Job quest Lv35, Warrior gains Thrill of Battle at Class quest Lv30.
- White Mage gains Cure II at Class quest Lv30 and Presence of Mind (speed up) at Job Quest Lv30, Regen at Job quest Lv35. Scholar is a Lv30 + job and not doing the quest at Lv30-35 makes you lose out on both your shield spells.
- many relevant DPS job mechanics get unlocked and built upon at Lv30-35, some jobs get their first AOE at Lv40 job quest (Dragoon).

I am sorry but the "I want to do the class quests once I feel like I comfortably grinded levels" doesn't hit because job quests get level synced and you only postpone the inevitable widening of the gap between having a job stone and not having one.

Wow this is so confusing. A new player wont know any of this. That is why many people do their job stone at lv35 or 40 because there is no way anyone will know this without doing many research (and when you're playing the game you don't want to do research).

[BokoToloko]

Wow this is so confusing. A new player wont know any of this. That is why many people do their job stone at lv35 or 40 because there is no way anyone will know this without doing many research (and when you're playing the game you don't want to do research).

The MSQ tracker literally points you toward your class/job quests progression right below the MSQ and clicking on the next job quest avaiable gets you the location of the questgiver. New players don't have to research a single thing. And it's worth mentioning that the SE literally tells you from the start that those quests are important for you.

If anything, forcing people to do their class quests and getting the job stone before doing Brayflox and onwards only helps teaching the importance of staying up to date with them for both the new spells and the gear. Hell, they can lock MSQ that leads you to the dungeon behind having unlocked a soul stone and tell the player "You need to progress further through your class quests and upgrade your class to a job before you can pick this MSQ. Look at the quest listed below MSQ to get the location of the questgiver". We already have something like this on ShB's MSQ, where you need to have finished a role questline before progressing any further in the Tempest.

1) People sometimes are tired and want to like to do something 'chill' like Brayflox since it is easy. Job quests can KO you very easily.... if you epsecially are DPS, so I want to delay it until I'm mental ready.

2) Thank you I did not know.

What lies underneath the 'chill' part of Brayflox is the other players pulling your weight for you. And people are also sometimes tired of carrying people who just can't be arsed to get their job stones because they want 'chill' stuff. Not to mention you can set the solo duty to Very Easy if you find yourself wiping often (which shouldn't be a thing if you just keep your gear updated).

[Ishe-P]

Also delete guildleve roulette, it gives nothing XP, nothing gil... and you hit a gobbue for 10 minutes, yawn

10 minutes? :O

[Derio]

Alliance Roulette, normal raid roulette, and guildheist roulette need a serious xp buff for them to be even considered to be worthwhile.

Expert roulette should just be all the max level dungeons instead of just 2 dungeons in rotation.


Aside from this all jobs need to have their base AOE skill unlocked at least by level 30 but IMO it should be the same level tanks unlock theirs.