Can an expansion survive without a DPS?

[GoatOfWar]

Look at how hillariously bad they are at designing tanks.

There's Warrior.
Worse but cooler Warrior with dark magic and a greatsword.
Worse warrior with a sword and shield.
Worse warrior that can do 100 more dps for much more work.

What would be next? A worse warrior with a shield and spear that can run 1% faster?

I don't want a new tank. If anything, i want less. Because balance and design isn't done in good faith to begin with.
Just give me more dps jobs.

[Supersnow845]

Look at how hillariously bad they are at designing tanks.

There's Warrior.
Worse but cooler Warrior with dark magic and a greatsword.
Worse warrior with a sword and shield.
Worse warrior that can do 100 more dps for much more work.

What would be next? A worse warrior with a shield and spear that can run 1% faster?

I don't want a new tank. If anything, i want less. Because balance and design isn't done in good faith to begin with.
Just give me more dps jobs.

They can’t even balance the DPS in a way that makes them feel different and equally contributing

Right now the melees and BLM feel like the godly main characters while phys ranged and the other casters feel like anime cheerleaders, same way the healers feel to the tanks

The devs have an overwhelming bias to the collective melees and BLM (via yoshi p) over the ranged jobs and it’s hilarious how blatant and bad it’s getting

[GoatOfWar]

They can’t even balance the DPS in a way that makes them feel different and equally contributing

Right now the melees and BLM feel like the godly main characters while phys ranged and the other casters feel like anime cheerleaders, same way the healers feel to the tanks

The devs have an overwhelming bias to the collective melees and BLM (via yoshi p) over the ranged jobs and it’s hilarious how blatant and bad it’s getting

With Physranged you can at least make the case that they're expected to have full uptime in all fights, but in EW there was no melee downtime in it's fight design, so we never ended up with physranged getting any leverage out of that. But yes, Black mage and Warrior are the developer's favourite precious flowers.

[Valence]

With Physranged you can at least make the case that they're expected to have full uptime in all fights, but in EW there was no melee downtime in it's fight design, so we never ended up with physranged getting any leverage out of that. But yes, Black mage and Warrior are the developer's favourite precious flowers.

But wait there is more: uptime actually never mattered on result. Melees (and casters) in ShB (and before) were already way above rphys on every chart.

Always has been :gun:

The only thing that uptime mattered for was actual effort.

[GoatOfWar]

But wait there is more: uptime actually never mattered on result. Melees (and casters) in ShB (and before) were already way above rphys on every chart.

Always has been :gun:

The only thing that uptime mattered for was actual effort.

Yeah, i mean.. Phys ranged has issues.
But they're at least still valued for their utility.
Any new tank would just become another jobber for Warrior mains to feel superior over.
I'd genuinely be sad if we got a cool new tank, because Warrior players will just end up having it all streamlined and homogenised, and coming out the winner.

[Valence]

Yeah, i mean.. Phys ranged has issues.
But they're at least still valued for their utility.
Any new tank would just become another jobber for Warrior mains to feel superior over.
I'd genuinely be sad if we got a cool new tank, because Warrior players will just end up having it all streamlined and homogenised, and coming out the winner.

They're valued for what utility exactly? Everybody has utility those days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nobody appreciates curing waltz, or a bit more party mitigation, but is this truly such a boon from the role those days?

They can't even raise.

I'd trade half or all of my utility as a rphys player if it meant I was actually bringing something on the damage department to my party. It would be sad, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like mitigation abilities are exactly thrilling to use those days anyway.

[GoatOfWar]

They're valued for what utility exactly? Everybody has utility those days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nobody appreciates curing waltz, or a bit more party mitigation, but is this truly such a boon from the role those days?

They can't even raise.

I'd trade half or all of my utility as a rphys player if it meant I was actually bringing something on the damage department to my party. It would be sad, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like mitigation abilities are exactly thrilling to use those days anyway.

Raid buffs are also really nice.
But yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you per se.
I'm just saying that at least you've got *something* going.
PLD and DRK are just Warrior downgrades now.

[Kes13a]

They can’t even balance the DPS in a way that makes them feel different and equally contributing

Right now the melees and BLM feel like the godly main characters while phys ranged and the other casters feel like anime cheerleaders, same way the healers feel to the tanks

The devs have an overwhelming bias to the collective melees and BLM (via yoshi p) over the ranged jobs and it’s hilarious how blatant and bad it’s getting

thats because each new job generally gets the best actions from old jobs, which means further homogenization of the old jobs. (except blm of course... weird eh?)

the more people scream for new jobs, the more get added and the shallower the pool gets.