Nerf gil profit from submarine

[Bun_Vivant]

Would be easy to solve the workshop for FC's, just make the workshop work through the grand company and add an extra door at the Grand Company your FC represent, permit only one of those per server for FC's or something down those lines...

If FCs could have their own Island Sanctuaries, it would make a great place to have airship and submersible facilities.

[LianaThorne]

Ha that's funny, yeah it takes 4 months so let them have their afk infinite money glitch, while the rest of us have to WORK to get scrapes.

I make more money off market flipping weekly than my subs do.
If you're working that hard for scraps then you're doing the game wrong.

[Rehayem]

There's a youtuber I know who has multiple alts and all retainers maxed out on 999 mil gil each, across multiple servers, all gotten from subs. I still think you should own just 1 FC house and 1 private house per account, and this would solve a lot of the issues in general.

[TwistedTea]

It is absolutely not deserving, it takes zero effort and minimal player time to set them up, specially now that even the sub discord incentivizes 3rd party tools to automate it all.

Yes, please nerf submarine gil. So tired of people just straight up making BS. The sub discord even has this in their rules:

10- No open discussion of plugins and/or mods

But anyhow getting back, please nerf submarine gil.

Because I want people to realise that the ward/multi-house owners are still not going to give up their wards/mediums/larges.
The submarine gil is just icing on the cake.
Not to mention a lot of sublords go for uncontested small FC plots usually in stinky Toblet.

In previous years, the problem was that there was not enough ward housing with increasing player population across servers.
Now mostly the complaints are that players can't get their dream mediums/larges.
Smalls are not houses

What is the root cause?
Answer: SE choosing to create artificial scarcity with the ward housing system instead of implementing a proper fully instanced housing system.

SE has had plenty of time to implement a proper fully instanced housing system:
Exhibit A: Apartments but they are limited
Exhibit B: Island Sanctuary - demonstrated that SE has the technical capability of giving each player, fully instanced housing.

Instead, year after year, SE slaps band-aids on top of the ward housing system like additional wards/new servers.

But muh neighborhood

Even when I had houses in all residential areas of Balmung, I saw my neighbors maybe twice a year.

SE just can't admit that the limited ward housing system is not a scalable solution when dealing with increasing server populations.

Evey single one of us could have had a dream large, if SE had gone the fully instanced housing route right from the start.

[Reinha]

"Please remove rewards from this piece of content because I don't like that other people are enjoying the game in ways that don't affect me."

[LianaThorne]

Because I want people to realise that the ward/multi-house owners are still not going to give up their wards/mediums/larges.

Regardless of removing subs funneling in 1m gil every 33-48 hours (which is the reality for those that only own one house and can be easily done via other means by anyone who has an hour of time on their hands a day), I wouldn't give up my houses (FC + Private) without some form of full refund for the gil I've sunk into them and I think that's pretty reasonable.

Not to mention a lot of sublords go for uncontested small FC plots usually in stinky Toblet.

Yes and no, depends on the person. Most serious multi-owners/resellers want combination plots for ease of access (preferably in single digit wards) and they'll still want higher valued plots in the event they decide to sell to recoup their investment and make profit. Ironically enough I know of someone in the housing scene that was trying to resell a Goblet medium for months and couldn't because no one wanted a Goblet house lmao.

Now mostly the complaints are that players can't get their dream mediums/larges.

True.

Smalls are not houses

In your opinion.

What is the root cause?
Answer: SE choosing to create artificial scarcity with the ward housing system instead of implementing a proper fully instanced housing system.

The cause is that Yoshi enjoys the neighborhood style of housing and wants it to be our main form of housing. There was also no need for instanced housing when housing first started due to how low pop the game was that private housing wasn't even a thing at first. I'm also in the tin foil hat group that thinks it helps lock down people's subs which is just a win for SE.

Either way though, they kind of backed themselves into a corner where unless they somehow keep neighborhoods (or refund everyone who's purchased a house with the actual value of it ((not plot price because some have been sinking money in for years)), they stand to risk pissing lots of people off, not just multi-owners.

SE has had plenty of time to implement a proper fully instanced housing system:
Exhibit A: Apartments but they are limited
Exhibit B: Island Sanctuary - demonstrated that SE has the technical capability of giving each player, fully instanced housing.

True, I've always wondered why they bothered giving us IS instead of instanced housing but maybe it's just simply because they don't want to.

But muh neighborhood

Yes, some people do like what we have now lol. I don't know why that's hard to believe.

SE just can't admit that the limited ward housing system is not a scalable solution when dealing with increasing server populations.

Because they want the housing situation we have now. Instead of giving us instanced housing in DT, we're getting housing mirage to change up interiors styles. I don't think it's a matter of admitting anything is wrong when they're pretty openly showing that this system is what they want.

[TwistedTea]

Yes and no, depends on the person. Most serious multi-owners/resellers want combination plots for ease of access (preferably in single digit wards) and they'll still want higher valued plots in the event they decide to sell to recoup their investment and make profit. Ironically enough I know of someone in the housing scene that was trying to resell a Goblet medium for months and couldn't because no one wanted a Goblet house lmao.

There are 2 main groups when it comes to multi-owners:
1) The house/dream plot collectors
2) Sublords who will grab any uncontested FC smalls to run subshacks

These 2 groups do overlap often but it's worth pointing out that sublords who are in it purely for the gil are not mainly competing for mediums/larges.

The house collectors would hold on to their houses even without the FC workshop.

In your opinion.

That was a joke which contains truth regarding many players. I own a personal small Toblet house. There are currently 87 FC small plots on Coeurl. Many of which have not had a single bid in months.

Either way though, they kind of backed themselves into a corner where unless they somehow keep neighborhoods (or refund everyone who's purchased a house with the actual value of it ((not plot price because some have been sinking money in for years)), they stand to risk pissing lots of people off, not just multi-owners.

Yup, keep ward housing as is. Improve/implement fully instanced housing.

Yes, some people do like what we have now lol. I don't know why that's hard to believe.

The wards are dead most of the time. There's no incentive to socialize in the wards. I think a lot of house owners have barely or never seen their neighbours.

Because they want the housing situation we have now. Instead of giving us instanced housing in DT, we're getting housing mirage to change up interiors styles. I don't think it's a matter of admitting anything is wrong when they're pretty openly showing that this system is what they want.

That's fine and I'm looking to see how housing mirage and such will turn out. But that still does not change the fact that every ward housing problem we've had over the years is because SE chose to go with artificial scarcity in a virtual world.

[ZiraZ]

Nice try just looked in the sub discord for 5 min and found plenty talk about automation plugins and even straight up names that can easily lead you to 3rd party discords, guess the rules mean nothing for people that are already bordering botting behavior.
Salvage needs to be removed and replaced with more mounts, minions and housing items.
Not surprising anytime subs get mentioned the same people flock (the threads even get mentioned on the sub discord not even trying to hide it) to defend the low effort destructive gil making schemes.

[whysosalty]

"There are 2 main groups when it comes to multi-owners:
1) The house/dream plot collectors
2) Sublords who will grab any uncontested FC smalls to run subshacks

These 2 groups do overlap often but it's worth pointing out that sublords who are in it purely for the gil are not mainly competing for mediums/larges.

The house collectors would hold on to their houses even without the FC workshop."



If they nerf salvage, I would hold on to every house I have. Mainly because while I do subs, all the mediums/larges I have are decorated, and the smalls are combo plots that were very hard to acquire. Diamond hands til I stop playing the game more than likely.

[Commander_Justitia]

"Please remove rewards from this piece of content because I don't like that other people are enjoying the game in ways that don't affect me."

Balancing is a thing - be it economy of a RPG or in PvE, I would like my blackmage to do 200% more damage than your reaper too, but I guess you wouldn't like that so much either.

"There are 2 main groups when it comes to multi-owners:
If they nerf salvage, I would hold on to every house I have. Mainly because while I do subs, all the mediums/larges I have are decorated, and the smalls are combo plots that were very hard to acquire. Diamond hands til I stop playing the game more than likely.

Even if you keep your houses, other players are still encouraged to do the same as you then, I don't think that is such a nice development for the future


And yeah I heard rumors about the botting, didn't wanna mention it. But I guess those people would be even more adamant to defend their source of gil income. xD As it is even easier and less time consuming compared to average players.