ARR or Heavensward Classic

[Fawkes]

Nightmare 2.0!


Maybe ARR wouldn't be so bad with our significantly smaller elitist population these days.

I don't even know how to seriously answer the question because ARR and Heavensward were basically the same just Heavensward had more jobs and levels. It's like asking me if I want a vanilla milkshake or a vanilla milkshake with whipped cream on top.

[Vyrerus]

I don't even know how to seriously answer the question because ARR and Heavensward were basically the same just Heavensward had more jobs and levels. It's like asking me if I want a vanilla milkshake or a vanilla milkshake with whipped cream on top.

I'll take Heavensward, because it wasn't just more levels and more jobs. It was more jobs and five more skills that fundamentally altered every job's rotation and the fundamental perception of tanks.

Prior to Heavenward you had that old FFXI brainset of, "Tank only need VIT accessories. Tank no need worry about damage. Tank just HP sponge that takes hits. I only use DPS stance if OT(and only PLD had an actual stance in OG Sword Oath)" If you swapped out of Defiance prior to HW, you got yelled at, and if you used STR accessories even in a mix, you'd get yelled at. I remember vividly causing a lot of butthurt out of some folks in the ARR 24 mans by using pure STR accessories on PLD. (everyone always neglected that STR accessories or hybrid made enmity a lot easier to manage, because even Flash was based off of ATP)

Other than that, it remains the only expansion to only add to jobs, not to take away from them, so there really wasn't a lot of talk like what plagued future expansions other than, "I wish BRD didn't cast!!!!!" (people really said I want the skill floor for BRD to be minimal). You never saw anyone say, "I want ARR DRG back!" or "I want ARR Monk back!" (and you still don't, really)

As far as QoL goes, everyone rejoiced at cooldowns resetting at wipe, but I vividly remember my own statics first rejoicing, but then kind of cursing, because if you were using PLD (many groups weren't in HW, mine were), then waiting however long sort of enforced a break time to get a drink, smoke, maybe talk about what went wrong a little more seriously than people do these days, because the option to pull was there, but alternate cooldown rotations almost always felt bad (usually for healers).

I think as far as this QoL goes, and also some other QoL, this playerbase has an issue with seeing the value in void minutes. I.E. If you can't do the main objective, then the best use of your time is to be constructive in another path or way. Socialization has never been strong in this game when actively engaged in the content, but those void minutes "lost to cooldown timers" had times where people cracked jokes or re-explained/examined strategy.

There can be value in something being "inconvenient."

[Chelsei]

Nightmare 2.0!


Maybe ARR wouldn't be so bad with our significantly smaller elitist population these days.

I don't even know how to seriously answer the question because ARR and Heavensward were basically the same just Heavensward had more jobs and levels. It's like asking me if I want a vanilla milkshake or a vanilla milkshake with whipped cream on top.

You want the vanilla milkshake with whipped cream on top. You know it ! ADMIT IT !

[Chelsei]

Still thinking there is a place for a FFXIV Retail and Classic

It's not that i don't like what the devs are doing right now but... what we loved back then (jobs gameplay) is not coming back, so...