Limited Cross Region DC Travel

[Jojoya]

Yea people don’t permanently move to aether they just travel there to do most of their daily duties, an average DF run on aether will have more travellers than native aether citizens, I’m sitting in a eureka instance right now and 3/4 of the people in it aren’t from aether, our PF’s are full of people from the other data centres

There is an enormous influx of people who regularly visit aether, just because they don’t fully world transfer doesn’t mean they aren’t still coming to aether for most things, I’m certainly not seeing crystal DF drowning in people from jenova

There's an enormous number of NA players who don't go to Aether as well.

Aether is not the entire world, as busy as it is. Non-English speaking players have no reason to go to Aether when they can remain in their home regions, play with others that speak their language and experience better ping.

Why would anyone from Jenova be going to Crystal for DF unless they wanted to play with friends on Crystal? Know where I take my Dynamis friends when they want to do an Alliance Raid or a level 90 MSQ trial? Crystal. Even when my friends on Crystal aren't available to help out, the 5 minute queue wait for the party/Alliance to fill doesn't bother us.

Seems like all this "Aether is the place to go talk" has resulted in some bloated heads thinking that everyone is on Aether or wants to be on Aether when that is decidedly not the case. It might be the better place to go to find a party for Savage but that's the extent of it. Savage is not the entire game.

Players from all over the world including Japan have played together on FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 without the sky falling.

As someone who spends in Japan a quarter of the year for work, I'm fairly confident no sky would fall even in FFXIV 7.0.

I agree that the sky wouldn't fall yet there are players that have such fears.

Perception gets assumed to be reality and that's what the developers have to tread lightly around.

Anyone not being deliberately obtuse can log into any DC that isn't "the raiding DC" of their region and see for themselves that PF is dead for everything that isn't ERP clubs. Doubly so for Dynamis which is dead entirely due to DC travel.

I see PFs up frequently for content on Dynamis and Coeurl.

Is the number of PFs listed as large as Aether's list? No. But the listings are there.

Your problem is assuming that the entire game is played through PF. The majority of players are queueing directly through DF for random party matching or they're in party with friends.

The game does not revolve around Savage and EX trials.

[Supersnow845]

One of these days I’ll figure out your stance on literally anything jojoya that isn’t “be contrary to everyone else to spark discussion” considering in a single post you’ve espoused two opposing opinions when replying to 3 people who had opposing opinions to each other

Sure savage isn’t the endgame to everyone but DC travel hollowing out non aether/light/mana savage parties is a problem, this problem may get worse later on, people also said “nah nobody is going to leave Crystal because our PF is good enough” and surprise surprise crystals savage is dead, there is more restrictions on actual ping travel but between no clippy/alexander and how stale savage raids are it’s not that big of a deal, people will travel for the bigger PF listing options, I seriously wouldn’t be surprised if aether steals a massive amount of light’s PF listings

And as usual people on the forums can’t help but see in black and white, sure a lot of people DONT travel, but the fact that any duty you get on aether has at least half non aether people shows that a lot of people DO travel, dynamis is already aether’s second half (despite you making your life harder for yourself by bringing friends to Crystal instead) and aether is already full as it is, people likely won’t travel to other regions for casual content (except maybe people from materia) but between casual content in NA being don’t on aether and savage coming from abroad it’s going to be a problem

I also have no idea why some of yall think people from aether are all like “oh my god look at us aren’t we so cool we are on the raiding DC”, we are discussing this neutrally, I don’t derive a sense of self worth from being on the busiest DC despite how some of yall seem to think I do

[ZiraZ]

The stance is post farming

[Nighthawky2010]

Its good news for some. But I'm not really interested in other regions. My main is on Aether; my primary alt is on Dynamis; then I have 1 backup on Crystal & 1 on Primal.

[Mcg55ss]

Yoshi-P has already mentioned that he wants to figure out how to make cross DC duty finder/party finder work, but that it's gonna require development of a new system to link players from different data centers.

Meanwhile, cross-region travel as a functionality was already included in the overall development for Data Center Travel. Yoshi-P even mentioned that travel between physical data centers was "technically possible" back in January 2022, in the lodestone post confirming the launch date of the Data Center Travel system.
All they're doing with this test is enabling this functionality, with a limit on what physical data center can be traveled to.



It's almost like this is a test, and they're using the least populated datacenter to lessen any possible impact when shit hits the fan.

Thought he said he wanted to but right now the latency and lag would be too severe to implement it anytime soon and at the moment they don't currently have a way to implement cross party finder/duty finder due to these limitations

[strawberrycake]

One of these days I’ll figure out your stance on literally anything jojoya that isn’t “be contrary to everyone else to spark discussion” considering in a single post you’ve espoused two opposing opinions when replying to 3 people who had opposing opinions to each other

Sure savage isn’t the endgame to everyone but DC travel hollowing out non aether/light/mana savage parties is a problem, this problem may get worse later on, people also said “nah nobody is going to leave Crystal because our PF is good enough” and surprise surprise crystals savage is dead, there is more restrictions on actual ping travel but between no clippy/alexander and how stale savage raids are it’s not that big of a deal, people will travel for the bigger PF listing options, I seriously wouldn’t be surprised if aether steals a massive amount of light’s PF listings

And as usual people on the forums can’t help but see in black and white, sure a lot of people DONT travel, but the fact that any duty you get on aether has at least half non aether people shows that a lot of people DO travel, dynamis is already aether’s second half (despite you making your life harder for yourself by bringing friends to Crystal instead) and aether is already full as it is, people likely won’t travel to other regions for casual content (except maybe people from materia) but between casual content in NA being don’t on aether and savage coming from abroad it’s going to be a problem

I also have no idea why some of yall think people from aether are all like “oh my god look at us aren’t we so cool we are on the raiding DC”, we are discussing this neutrally, I don’t derive a sense of self worth from being on the busiest DC despite how some of yall seem to think I do

They're a contrarian a lot of the time. I made a post in a Thread about why PF players are bad and turned me saying Savage needs more prestige into why MSQ doesn't need it. Their entire stance is pro casual focused and they basically make any discussion about XIV changing, which will include the needed changes for savage, as a black and white view of why the game shouldn't change and how making the game more MMO like is a bad thing.

[littlehobbit13]

People from a whole region can already go to Aether without limitations

"Without limitations"? No retainers, no timed nodes, no FC chat, no FC buffs, no cross-DC tells, no island, etc etc etc. I'm sure you mean "without limitations" as in the travel itself, but let's acknowledge that if you're the one traveling to Aether, you're forced to give up a shit ton of things just for a functional PF. And before it gets thrown out there as a half-assed counter-argument: whether or not you, personally, find those things negligible to your experience doesn't mean everyone else feels the same. Heck, even the people who cite "being able to play with friends" as the entire net positive to overcome those limitations, what about the people whose friends are already co-located? If they have different interests, so one has to go to Aether anyways because they're into raiding, doesn't that mean travel is now hindering you interacting freely with your friends? There are multiple, sometimes conflicting perspectives on this issue.

Crystal is bursting at the seams, with Balmung that's incredibly crowded all the time

The Balmung Quicksand being "bursting at the seams" with ERP doesn't speak for the entirety of Crystal and every game feature.

The issue though will there be groups who want to troll especially in Japan. Hard to say but our cultures are certainly different. I would imagine the Raid community would be the hardest hit with DC travel and although I'm not a raider I've read that methods used in Japan are different than elsewhere. Given the raiding popularity in Japan it would be a major reason for people to DC travel there in my opinion.

When we talk potential culture clash, this is the one that immediately comes to mind for me because it's exactly what we saw with Aether. Aether had the reputation of being "the raiding DC" and so NA raiders rushed on over. JP has this dreamy reputation about being super organized and highly skilled and genius with their strats. A certain demographic of NA raiders will absolutely run over there to try and participate in what they believe is a raiding utopia and it's undoubtedly going to cause problems. It's foolish and naïve to think it won't.

[littlehobbit13]

Sure savage isn’t the endgame to everyone but DC travel hollowing out non aether/light/mana savage parties is a problem, this problem may get worse later on, people also said “nah nobody is going to leave Crystal because our PF is good enough” and surprise surprise crystals savage is dead [...] people will travel for the bigger PF listing options

Yeah, it's one thing that the High-end Duty listings have all but vanished from Crystal PF, but there's actually way less regular content happening in PF as well post-travel. And that makes sense, because there's plenty of overlap between "raiders" and "players who enjoy combat content". If you're already on Aether for one thing, why would you go all the way home to try and see if you can get a PF together for another thing (especially given how tedious the transfer process is)? Travel hasn't only affected raiding in PF.

It's interesting that you mention the desire for bigger PF listing options -- or more accurately it's interesting that more people aren't acknowledging that -- because that's literally how cities work. Densely populated urban areas whose most attractive feature for drawing people in is having lots of options all conveniently located. This is a video game example of how urban, suburban, and rural areas developed, much in the same way the WoW virtual pandemic ended up mirroring the actual approach to how a pandemic would develop and be handled IRL. Aether is the urban center, and Crystal/Primal/Dynamis are the suburbs people commute in from each day. The setting may be virtual, but the people are real, and most people behave remarkably similar across different environments.

[Larirawiel]

A certain demographic of NA raiders will absolutely run over there to try and participate in what they believe is a raiding utopia and it's undoubtedly going to cause problems. It's foolish and naïve to think it won't.

The timezone shift will stop the majority of NA players, who want to play on JP servers. I highly doubt, that the players will wake up at 5 or 7 am to raid on JP servers.


Cheers

[strawberrycake]

The timezone shift will stop the majority of NA players, who want to play on JP servers. I highly doubt, that the players will wake up at 5 or 7 am to raid on JP servers.


Cheers

Nah, NA has a huge amount of EU players and the inverse is true for EU with NA players. And JP has a very large English speaking community with a lot of people from NA. All the possibility of Cross region raiding will do is allow people who don't wanna leave their friends and personal comforts to do it now.