If the game is getting harder then we will need dps metres. Official ones.

[Jojoya]

"Less stress-free" doesn't mean that DPS checks are going to be more common. Considering most of the time it's execution and not damage holding groups back, a damage meter won't help.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have a DPS meter as part of the game. But I want it for my personal self-improvement, or to help friends who are asking for help on how to get better. Instead of punishing the majority because a small minority abuses a tool, they need to punish that small minority that is abusing it.

Remember: There are plenty of kill logs where no one in a party was rating above 60th percentile. They may not be the best players but they still perform well enough for what the content requires. Stop obsessing over damage and look at the other things required to get a kill, such as execution of mechanics.

We also still have no clue exactly what he was referring to when he said "less stress-free". Players jumping to conclusions will forever be one of the biggest problems in communications with developers.

[SailorCeti]

I assume this is in response to Yoshi-P's comment about adding some stress back into the game.

I highly doubt we will suddenly have enrage wipe mechanics in normal mode.
It will just be to the extent that you might now actually be able to die in normal content.

I already die in normal content. I don't touch anything higher. If this comes to pass, they lose a customer. Not that they'll care. Just saying.

[UkcsAlias]

We also still have no clue exactly what he was referring to when he said "less stress-free". Players jumping to conclusions will forever be one of the biggest problems in communications with developers.

I think this is also the main part for them to find out. What causes people to consider something more difficult, or relaxed, and focus on those things.

A few things i know that generaly make things trivial that could be optimized a bit better:
- Mechanic skipping: especialy trials suffer here and end up being too short to realy show all mechanics and some combinations of them. Giving bosses extra health or invuln stages to enforce mechanics to happen would help. This is extremely harmful for the experience.
- Not enough punishment for getting hit: vuln stacks arent punishing enough in a lot of cases. If you can stack up 3 or 4, you generaly should just die. And idealy they should last long enough so the chance of getting more is higher (and therefor you want to avoid that a bit more)

Another problem is that the 'tutorial' phase of a trial usualy takes too long, making the later phases never happen. There could also be the alternative that these phases become more compact. In dungeons the earlier bosses are often good for this. But in trials, if a mechanic was used before, i think its best if it at some point just no longer repeats the 'introduction' and just uses it. For example if a certain attack has a left/right possibility, the introduction only needs to show the effect once, and this can just be randomized (or maybe alternate the sides between attempts in a static way).

Extreme does most things fine here, except ilvl creep is making these become a bit too easy and skip later mechanics. But here the later mechanics often feel a bit more like filler as its intended that people have to beat it well before enrage. This works for that part fine. And phase changes if needed could still involve an invuln (or very high damage resistance)

[Souljacker]

I don't get why everyone gets in a twist about DPS meters. This is a game where a job has a literal telegraph when you've messed up your rotation for everyone to see, and that's apparently just fine.

[Neoyoshi]

It's always been a unnecessary and forced feature in other mmorpg's, no one really 'needs' a meter that tells them their damage output moment to moment, and we already have a system that lets users know who has Enmity that is broken up into a small meter icon and nameplate colors.

What we have works well for what it is, we don't need layers of additional data management for game content that people can properly function in and clear normally by learning.

[Boblawblah]

I think sometimes, people take what Yoshi-P says too seriously. But that's just me. I'm just here for the fun events and free cars!

[Supersnow845]

It's always been a unnecessary and forced feature in other mmorpg's, no one really 'needs' a meter that tells them their damage output moment to moment, and we already have a system that lets users know who has Enmity that is broken up into a small meter icon and nameplate colors.

What we have works well for what it is, we don't need layers of additional data management for game content that people can properly function in and clear normally by learning.

The enmity numbers are near useless as they include healing, “reset” at seemingly random times and since the classes aren’t designed to do the same damage anyway they can be misleading, an underperforming MNK can still show up as higher than an overperforming RDM for example

There should be a system far clearer than the enmity bars

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The enmity numbers are near useless as they include healing, “reset” at seemingly random times and since the classes aren’t designed to do the same damage anyway they can be misleading, an underperforming MNK can still show up as higher than an overperforming RDM for example

There should be a system far clearer than the enmity bars

To be fair, an underperforming monk doing nothing but hitting 123 is like, 70% of monks potential.

[Aco505]

Stone, Sky, Sea challenge as part of the Extreme/Savage unlock, good or bad?

Its current implementation is pretty bad. The numbers required to beat it job by job are arbitrary and they have like a 3-min duration before you fail, which can force you to perform non-standard rotations in order to beat the timer. It is also quite rough if your gear is at the minimum item level or close to it.

They'd have to rework them completely.

[Merrigan]

No. Really, no.

Dpsmeters are tools I've been using for a long time. I raided on wow with it; I use the FF one more episodically when I have the patience to get into sadic. They're extraordinarily useful... When you really want to use them. That means looking at your rotation; analyzing the logs; comparing your parse with those of other players of the same class; and testing new approaches on this or that boss to optimize the whole.

On the other hand, they're completely useless in the hands of people who just see a colored bar. Especially in content such as dungeons, which are influenced by (flawed) equipment synchro. I still remember when I first downloaded my add-on on wow; it was "ok, I'm higher than this player, cool!". Only to find that the next chamelio was putting miles on my dps, so what I'd observed before was null and void.

You can add all the add-ons you want, but if the player who has them doesn't want to make the effort to use them properly, then they're useless. The only thing they'll add is the potential for further toxicity, without any accompanying benefits.

+ As has been pointed out many times on this thread: we don't know what Yoshi-P means by "adding stress". I dream of a more challenging overall content, but... Right.