RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[CVXIV]

Was wondering when you would pop up with nonsense like this. Nothing is baseless. I'm not sure why you would think so. It's down to you either wearing rose colored glasses or just trying to troll for that attention.

Trolls aside, people bringing up actual points in this particular thread.

What do you mean by this? lol
You literally accused me of being some troll in the housing forums and then admitted it wasn't me but could be.

How is this not a baseless accusation against me as a person?
"It isn't you, I can't prove it's you, but it could be you."

It isn't nonsense to point out how people are having baseless accusations levied against them and that seems to be what the thread is turning into.

Another user had a similar experience simply for disagreeing with a point.

What logical reason is there to say that GMs are wanting children to be victimized?
That is primarily what I was referring to and why I quoted it later on.

As I've stated previously, my post history is public and I've only ever shared my genuine thoughts and feelings about the game.
I'm not looking at anything through rose colored glasses.

I've even agreed to an extent with the point of this thread, so clearly I'm not blinded by anything SE does.
I like the game and can admit it had faults and problems, I just see no reason to outright accuse the GMs of something as extreme as what is being implied. It's irresponsible and actively harms the point being made.

[AxlTheHunter]

I'd like to offer my 2 gil.

Sometimes I do get in the mood to look up a venue to go to but have to agree that certain aspects are getting a bit overboard.
-The shouts in and of themselves aren't anything I take issue with, the FREQUENCY of some of them however is becoming one.
When the game started shout was really intended to be an open channel for people to converse and occasionally shout out for help for things or offer to help people with things etc. There is no reason that these 'ads' should be an issue to a certain extent.
Where the frequency has started causing a problem is that it's getting nearly impossible to even use the Shout chat for any other purpose. Even just one person throwing it out now and then is one thing, but when you have 5-10 people shouting the same copy paste BS for the same venue it's not just a problem, it's freaking annoying and is more likely to make people HATE the places without even giving them a chance.

-By extension, while not as much of an issue the same type of thing is becoming an issue in the Party Finder even with it being kept to the OTHER tab (which I am glad that was finally accepted and used as a solution). Now I say this not necessarily to SE but maybe some that are involved with the venues.
Again, let me make it clear, I and many of my friends DO enjoy looking through these venues and use the PF to decide where to go. The problem with repetition is again, some of them are posted over an over by 10 plus members. This not only drowns out other venues, but most agree that seeing the same thing all over comes off as pretentious and annoying and once again, is likely to make people ignore a venue that they really may enjoy just on principle.

In the end I can't and won't tell anyone what to do but just wanted to leave my thoughts on the matter.

[Ravenblade1979]

-The shouts in and of themselves aren't anything I take issue with, the FREQUENCY of some of them however is becoming one.
When the game started shout was really intended to be an open channel for people to converse and occasionally shout out for help for things or offer to help people with things etc. There is no reason that these 'ads' should be an issue to a certain extent.
Where the frequency has started causing a problem is that it's getting nearly impossible to even use the Shout chat for any other purpose. Even just one person throwing it out now and then is one thing, but when you have 5-10 people shouting the same copy paste BS for the same venue it's not just a problem, it's freaking annoying and is more likely to make people HATE the places without even giving them a chance.

-By extension, while not as much of an issue the same type of thing is becoming an issue in the Party Finder even with it being kept to the OTHER tab (which I am glad that was finally accepted and used as a solution). Now I say this not necessarily to SE but maybe some that are involved with the venues.
Again, let me make it clear, I and many of my friends DO enjoy looking through these venues and use the PF to decide where to go. The problem with repetition is again, some of them are posted over an over by 10 plus members. This not only drowns out other venues, but most agree that seeing the same thing all over comes off as pretentious and annoying and once again, is likely to make people ignore a venue that they really may enjoy just on principle.

In the end I can't and won't tell anyone what to do but just wanted to leave my thoughts on the matter.

Dead on.

See the shout issue is kinda 2 fold. People generally will not mind if a venue ad is one or two normal sentences. Not as intrusive. It's the ones that think you need a giant paragraph or 3-4 separate ones that the issue comes into play.

If venues could learn to have one or two sentences that were brief. It would become a non issue really quickly.

As for pf. I have heard from lots of people that the more a venue has up for ads, the less appealing it actually is.

I get the purpose is to draw but it tends to have opposite effect. Theres a particular one on aether that has maybe 2 or 3 max on days they open and they are slammed. Then there's some with 6-8 pf ads that are dead.

Kinda makes ya wonder why these owners don't realize their spam is a detriment. I also wonder why venues don't realize we have a overflowing pot of venues with more opening weekly. So it's harder to get people in.

[strawberrycake]

Dead on.

See the shout issue is kinda 2 fold. People generally will not mind if a venue ad is one or two normal sentences. Not as intrusive. It's the ones that think you need a giant paragraph or 3-4 separate ones that the issue comes into play.

If venues could learn to have one or two sentences that were brief. It would become a non issue really quickly.

As for pf. I have heard from lots of people that the more a venue has up for ads, the less appealing it actually is.

I get the purpose is to draw but it tends to have opposite effect. Theres a particular one on aether that has maybe 2 or 3 max on days they open and they are slammed. Then there's some with 6-8 pf ads that are dead.

Kinda makes ya wonder why these owners don't realize their spam is a detriment. I also wonder why venues don't realize we have a overflowing pot of venues with more opening weekly. So it's harder to get people in.

A lot of venue owners just don't care, and neither do the criers, they just wanna get business, who cares if some normie gets annoyed right? Until you're the 6th venue in the last 30 min that have shot out a multi layered post about gambling and sex.

I don't understand why people can defend these ads but hate youtube ads,

[Ravenblade1979]

A lot of venue owners just don't care, and neither do the criers, they just wanna get business, who cares if some normie gets annoyed right? Until you're the 6th venue in the last 30 min that have shot out multi layer post about gambling and sex.

I don't understand why people can defend these ads but hate youtube ads,

It's the forums. You can't tell who genuine and who isn't. Lots of trolls. So I generally don't trust alot of what people say here

[CVXIV]

Yeah from my experience in working in some of those venues a few years back they would usually have shouts done about every half hour or so and due to the sheer number that exist these days it turns into sort of a competition which in the end does more harm than good.

It would be nice if a solution could be found, but I don't see SE doing anything about it anytime soon.
The RP tag already exists in game so they could add that to PF listings so people can advertise their event as a roleplay one.

This might not fix the problem of venues stacking party finders but it does allow the option for people to filter that sort of thing out if they have no interest in it.

Something similar could apply to the chat if they made a new option for it, something like say/yell/shout that you can turn on or off depending on your preferences.
The problem with this though is that it would need to have the same range as shout, otherwise people won't use it.

Then there's the question of if it'd be strictly for roleplaying like with the PF tag, or if it'd be any and all advertisements like twitch streams, art comms, etc.

One other thing I've seen spoken about here is blacklisting, and that in and of itself has a multitude of issues, but it would be nice if they reworked it and increased the limit of how many you can block which isn't a solution for what is being discussed here.

[AzhreiVahlok]

Dead on.

See the shout issue is kinda 2 fold. People generally will not mind if a venue ad is one or two normal sentences. Not as intrusive. It's the ones that think you need a giant paragraph or 3-4 separate ones that the issue comes into play.

If venues could learn to have one or two sentences that were brief. It would become a non issue really quickly.

As for pf. I have heard from lots of people that the more a venue has up for ads, the less appealing it actually is.

I get the purpose is to draw but it tends to have opposite effect. Theres a particular one on aether that has maybe 2 or 3 max on days they open and they are slammed. Then there's some with 6-8 pf ads that are dead.

Kinda makes ya wonder why these owners don't realize their spam is a detriment. I also wonder why venues don't realize we have a overflowing pot of venues with more opening weekly. So it's harder to get people in.

Also i think MOST players don't give a crap about it either so that could be a reason many are dead.... This was big in covid lockdowns apparently. Things have changed.

[CVXIV]

Hey I was looking for this thread again.
With the changes coming to the blacklist feature, how does everyone here feel about it?
I believe you can also filter out specific words too.

It's pretty great news, and some I am pleasantly surprised to hear they are implementing.

[Krokov]

definitely be something to look into so we don't have to be subjected to those rp club advertisements. They are annoying. After so many.

[EusisLandale]

Hey I was looking for this thread again.
With the changes coming to the blacklist feature, how does everyone here feel about it?
I believe you can also filter out specific words too.

It's pretty great news, and some I am pleasantly surprised to hear they are implementing.

Being able to filter specific words is a nice change, but these people are just going to break out a thesaurus or start getting "creative" and replace random characters and continue to subject people to their garbage.