Uncapped AoE is ruining PvP Frontline/Rival Wings

[HyperiusUltima]

Oh look, another thread complaining about a problem Guard solves.

Way to not contribute to discussion… For the record, Guard does solve a lot of things - if you can essentially react to them. Because guess what? DRK Draw-in is mostly unreactable. You have to read it ahead of time. Same with any Instant ability we have. The only downside with Guard is that you move at a snail’s pace, which in Frontline leaves you in a problematic position if you happened to get drawn by a DRK.

In a perfect world, everyone would be Guarding perfectly - but that is not the case when the game runs on a 3s server tick.

[Naizakane]

Way to not contribute to discussion… For the record, Guard does solve a lot of things - if you can essentially react to them. Because guess what? DRK Draw-in is mostly unreactable. You have to read it ahead of time. Same with any Instant ability we have. The only downside with Guard is that you move at a snail’s pace, which in Frontline leaves you in a problematic position if you happened to get drawn by a DRK.

In a perfect world, everyone would be Guarding perfectly - but that is not the case when the game runs on a 3s server tick.

Works on my machine.

[Themarvin]

Enough bards can do quite the amount of harm... seen groups full of BRDs in Rival wings and still be winning without having too many Tanks and Spears.... and winning big time.

So it goes a bit like this and that... middle is not everything in Rival Wings, and if they are all close range on the other team then it is not always a bonus often far from.

[Scintilla]

Works on my machine.

Assuming these are serious posts, clearly you haven't seen any decent premade.

You suggest Guard? Great. Now meet their RPR/DNC/WAR.

[Naizakane]

Assuming these are serious posts, clearly you haven't seen any decent premade.

You suggest Guard? Great. Now meet their RPR/DNC/WAR.

Here's a fun fact for you: I rarely see premades that run RPR/DNC/WAR, because there just isn't enough people hitting Guard for them to be needed yet. They can probably be dealt with the same way, or you can try the following: when you think they're about to go for it, find your job's defensive cooldown and use that. Next step is to hit Purify for the Resilience buff. Next, sprint and do a running jump away. Timed right, it'll create more distance between you and the DRK. Then do a second one to create more distance between you and whatever the problem is. Especially if the problem is a DNC - you have a couple of seconds between seeing the visual effect for Contradance and getting slapped with Seduced, so create more distance if possible. Does it suck to blow your job's defensive and Purify like this? Sure. Wanna know what sucks more? Dying without at least trying to do anything about it.

[Scintilla]

Here's a fun fact for you: I rarely see premades that run RPR/DNC/WAR,

Purely because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they aren't there. It's a 'fact' that they exist.
At a minimum, I run 3 FLs a day just for my alts dailies, but almost always run several more purely for my own interest. Such teams do exist and when you see them, you know it's going to be a heavy uphill struggle the whole way, with chances of either of the random teams winning being very low.

Over time, regular players can begin to recognise such teams purely from their appearance, can mark the DRK early in the game as an early warning, and try to keep themselves alive solely by keeping a good distance from the rest of their party when they see the DRK coming from the distance. But that keeps just you alive - the rest of your team die, and just one or two players alone vs a full alliance of BH5 is of no use whatsoever. Next suggestion: get your entire team to split/run when they see the DRK coming but, again, that is no use at all. First, maps have multiple bottlenecks preventing such a vast team split. Secondly, I shouldn't have to point out that having everyone run away everytime the DRK runs in your direction isn't the way to win FLs: you're just giving every node to them with no fight at all, either by full team death or evacuation.

[Colt47]

This is basically what it looks like when the other teams are stacked. While the team I was on had issues with staying together, the flames literally just camped the spawn for the team and yes they were mostly DRK, BLM, SMN, SAM, oddly no dragoons, but warrior was there. The big thing was that the DRKs were always fishing out anyone with a lot of single target burst automatically and then just running off to do other things because everyone else will do the work for them. I can't do anything if I'm pulled into a mob and then cut up while the rest of the team is mindlessly running around getting mass CCed / AOE'ed while being constantly pushed into a corner. In fact, I think both the other teams basically just decided to troll adders.

I am literally on a freaking machinist with an LB and drill combo, and I can't even kill the BLM. He just double tanks two attacks meant to assassinate a single target because there is so much healing and so much cover from running around in the school of fish, that others can't even join in to finish the job. The only jobs that have any impact are ones that either fish or can do mass CC / Damage to a huge number of targets.

I'm sorry. A 3 man game where one team is basically at 70 points? Out of 700? With every team being literal 24 man raids it is not as simple as a player skill issue unless everyone just happens to be bad on that 24 man team and can't attack.

[Niroken]

This is basically what it looks like when the other teams are stacked. While the team I was on had issues with staying together, the flames literally just camped the spawn for the team and yes they were mostly DRK, BLM, SMN, SAM, oddly no dragoons, but warrior was there. The big thing was that the DRKs were always fishing out anyone with a lot of single target burst automatically and then just running off to do other things because everyone else will do the work for them. I can't do anything if I'm pulled into a mob and then cut up while the rest of the team is mindlessly running around getting mass CCed / AOE'ed while being constantly pushed into a corner. In fact, I think both the other teams basically just decided to troll adders.

I am literally on a freaking machinist with an LB and drill combo, and I can't even kill the BLM. He just double tanks two attacks meant to assassinate a single target because there is so much healing and so much cover from running around in the school of fish, that others can't even join in to finish the job. The only jobs that have any impact are ones that either fish or can do mass CC / Damage to a huge number of targets.

I'm sorry. A 3 man game where one team is basically at 70 points? Out of 700? With every team being literal 24 man raids it is not as simple as a player skill issue unless everyone just happens to be bad on that 24 man team and can't attack.

Usually when I find these scenarios it's one team (usually flames) that is hyper aggressive from the start, pick a team that is the weakest of the two and uses that team as fodder for BH cheese. The other team (in this case Maelstrom) will continue objective hunting while killing the last team (Adders) in order to keep up with the BH advantage Flames got from feeding off of Adders. Maelstrom may attack Flames first depending on the situation but if they do, Adders usually attacks Maelstrom because Flames is stronger from BH farming so the option would be to attack the weaker team out of the two. After this, Maelstrom will focus on Adders to avoid getting teamed by both Adders and Flames (as Adders is the weakest so the biggest threat is Maelstrom to Flames).

Eventually Maelstrom will have to attack Flames and both teams will backhand Adders if they try to benefit from the two teams on the fighting. Since both of the top teams at this point have a substantial BH advantage, Adders is pretty much done.

[Mawlzy]

Usually when I find these scenarios it's one team (usually flames) that is hyper aggressive from the start, pick a team that is the weakest of the two and uses that team as fodder for BH cheese. The other team (in this case Maelstrom) will continue objective hunting while killing the last team (Adders) in order to keep up with the BH advantage Flames got from feeding off of Adders. Maelstrom may attack Flames first depending on the situation but if they do, Adders usually attacks Maelstrom because Flames is stronger from BH farming so the option would be to attack the weaker team out of the two. After this, Maelstrom will focus on Adders to avoid getting teamed by both Adders and Flames (as Adders is the weakest so the biggest threat is Maelstrom to Flames).

Eventually Maelstrom will have to attack Flames and both teams will backhand Adders if they try to benefit from the two teams on the fighting. Since both of the top teams at this point have a substantial BH advantage, Adders is pretty much done.

You're suggesting that, in a mode in which team assignment is random, the Flames have a tendency to behave in a certain way?

[Niroken]

You're suggesting that, in a mode in which team assignment is random, the Flames have a tendency to behave in a certain way?

Based on my observations, strangely yes. The teams have a vague generalization that is reminiscent of previous iterations of Frontlines PVP when more PvP focused players picked one GC. Flames are generally more aggressive, followed by Maelstrom and lastly by Adders. It's not always the case but it's what I've observed over the years. As to the reason why that may be I could only theorize. As someone who is in the Flames GC I find myself more involved when I am on Flames, leading me to try harder then when I am on Maelstrom or Adders. Impossible to say if that rings true for everyone or maybe it's entirely false and I am imagining it.