Feedback: It's dull when only the tank is still alive and they can't die

[Rekh]

The reason they don’t do this is because it puts too much pressure on the healer. Tanks were not able to solo things before. This was a deliberate design choice to make sure not everything relies on the healer. Not an easy fix unless they finally make healers the win condition of a dungeon again.

Something about it causing anxiety and what not.

Or you know, this when you let healers and tanks learn the fight and get better. Healers do eventually clear aurum vale, vault, and pharos sirius after a wipe or 3. Let's stop babying these 2 roles. I also feel dps need more dps check mechanics as well, or at least boss mechanics or environmental mechanics that target them.

[IDontPetLalas]

don't die and you wont have to spectate making it so tanks die easier only make it so you are even more likely to die.

people can play how they want and being able to solo bosses as anything that includes a healer or dps is possible and shouldn't be thrown out cause someone else disliked that they died and got carried.

Sure, you can do whatever you want- when you're with trusts. However when you're grouped with people, then we're expected to follow to what is generally acceptable and not expect to *force* our way of doing things on the rest of the party.

How you define this when you're with your friends/your static- well, that's up to you.

[PyurBlue]

people can play how they want

It's not about how people play, it's game design.

If tanks can solo bosses, the value of the healer role comes into question.

Additionally, if the DPS need a healer to survive but tanks don't then it's potentially easy to get into the situation where the tank is slowly soloing the boss even if the DPS plays perfectly. If that happens most of the party is stuck watching instead of playing which many wouldn't find ideal.

If people want to solo, there is unsync for that. Proper dungeon balance won't stop people from overgearing and doing content alone.

[Canadane]

Tanks were not able to solo things before. This was a deliberate design choice to make sure not everything relies on the healer. Not an easy fix unless they finally make healers the win condition of a dungeon again.

Something about it causing anxiety and what not.

I have soloed boss fights since gnat-version of Demon Wall.
Tanks have always been very capable.

They've gotten ridiculous as of late, and as a tank I hate it. Sometimes I press Rampart even when I don't need to, just as a treat. Because I don't need it for any non-serious content.

[TaleraRistain]

They need to dial back tank self-sustain. We have too much. Dial it back some. Can still make it so tanks can survive those last bits of a fight, but we shouldn't be able to solo from high double digit percents.

On Alliances that have a series of mechanics that don't deal particularly a lot of damage to tanks (but are there to be fun or to stack up vuln if you fail) I've also seen tanks that 'want to die' but can't because there isn't anything to really wipe themselves on.

It's so painful when I need a death wall and don't have one. People were talking about Grand Cosmos. I've been the last tank standing and it's tedious waiting for him to kill you.

[Musashidon]

Sure, you can do whatever you want- when you're with trusts. However when you're grouped with people, then we're expected to follow to what is generally acceptable and not expect to *force* our way of doing things on the rest of the party.

How you define this when you're with your friends/your static- well, that's up to you.

when you are in DF you get what you get or you take a penalty that's it.

If tanks can solo bosses, the value of the healer role comes into question.

only for you, all it shows is how good a player is.

[Avoidy]

You don't need to change the tank kit to fix this. You just need tank players to exercise an ounce of common sense. If they're the only one alive and the boss has like half its health and they're downing a single % every minute or something, maybe this isn't as impressive as they think it is and they should just wipe it. But this game's tank community is full of people with Main Character syndrome, so yeah, we'll probably see significant nerfs to tank sustain in Dawntrail because people couldn't just be humble about really basic polite stuff.

That said, I think there's a lot of contextual stuff to this. I was the DPS in one of these at one point. Vanaspati. For a while it was just me and the tank duoing it, but he opted to heal his own 80+% hp with nascent flash instead of me, so eventually the partywides killed me and we all watched him (I alt tabbed tbh) slowly solo it from 60% to 4 and then die to mechanics like a scrub. Then we went back as a light party and finished it in a fraction of that time. That sucked and wasted everyone's time, because he didn't actually finish the job. If you're a tank in that solo position and you've made everyone wait a long ass time while you jerked yourself off for a half hour, you'd better at least win it. Nobody cares that you can solo some msq content. However, if your squad already wiped once and maybe the healer's died again on attemp2 and it's looking like it's gonna be a double wipe, if I'm on my WAR I'll just solo it at that point because I just wanna be done.

So, idk. It's all kinda arbitrary and contextual but generally speaking nobody wants to see you slowly whittle a boss down from 60%.

[TaleraRistain]

You just need tank players to exercise an ounce of common sense.

Sorry, no thinking here. We just hit things really hard.

Unfortunately, the game really does need to save some players from the hubris of others. And the option should still be there at least partially. If the party has wiped 3 times because you have new folks, then it's a relief when the tank can bring things home at the end. But making people stay on the floor while a tank solos something from high percentages is just arrogance. So we need the game to limit our being able to do this because enough of us aren't going to do it voluntarily.

[Avoidy]

Sorry, no thinking here. We just hit things really hard.

Unfortunately, the game really does need to save some players from the hubris of others. And the option should still be there at least partially. If the party has wiped 3 times because you have new folks, then it's a relief when the tank can bring things home at the end. But making people stay on the floor while a tank solos something from high percentages is just arrogance. So we need the game to limit our being able to do this because enough of us aren't going to do it voluntarily.

Yeah I agree. I've been sitting here editing my post over and over again because there's a lot of nuance to this topic that I wasn't giving it at first mostly due to impatience from IRL stuff.
But yeah you're right and I've been amending my post for a little while to be in a similar spirit because I agree.

Unrelated, but the worst instance of this I've seen was everyone dying to the first boss of paradigm tower except a paladin, who then tried to clemency-solo it from like 57% with an hour to go before maintenance. People were up in the spawn point screaming for him to just wipe it, lmao.

[Astrus]

I Job-hop too much to really have a cat in this race but I hope that if they change things they do something to make things more interesting and don't just nerf tanks.
Can't they put an enrage on more things so there's at least some stakes for the DPS players involved instead of waiting for bosses to die of old age while pressing 1 or camping ice and never realizing it's a problem because "we cleared it np"?
I'm not even asking for a tight enrage window, just short enough that any party that gets outperformed by Trusts runs into issues.