Feedback: It's dull when only the tank is still alive and they can't die

[Ath192]

No.



What people want is unlikely to effectively happen, imo. They're never going to make it so people regularly fail easily, because that is not what the majority want (confident on this). You can get that on your new savage or ultimates but you're never going to effectively get that in normal / msq content without a radical redesign of everything and a decent chance to shift the audience window.

Yeah, and this is why this situation arose, where content is so dumbed down and jobs are so OP they can solo bosses. Except for DPS, but I'm pretty sure u can solo bosses as a WHM too if you just regen and benison + aquaveil a tank buster. The only reason you don't see this happen is because they have raise, so they don't have to.

But I've been in plenty of situations as a healer where the tank D/Cs and we don't even bother replacing them, we just double pull and I keep whatever DPS gets the aggro alive during the bosses. Pretty much the design is so that a healer and tank can render each other irrelevant. And because of this stalemate, this is the way things will keep being until they make the content harder.

You're not gonna get a situation where the jobs will be worse than a previous expansion. That would effectively make the players feel weaker and they'll never hear the end of those complaints. And if anything they keep making them stronger and more self sustaining.

[Shougun]

Yeah, and this is why this situation arose, where content is so dumbed down and jobs are so OP they can solo bosses. Except for DPS, but I'm pretty sure u can solo bosses as a WHM too if you just regen and benison + aquaveil a tank buster. The only reason you don't see this happen is because they have raise, so they don't have to.

But I've been in plenty of situations as a healer where the tank D/Cs and we don't even bother replacing them, we just double pull and I keep whatever DPS gets the aggro alive during the bosses. Pretty much the design is so that a healer and tank can render each other irrelevant. And because of this stalemate, this is the way things will keep being until they make the content harder.

You're not gonna get a situation where the jobs will be worse than a previous expansion. That would effectively make the players feel weaker and they'll never hear the end of those complaints. And if anything they keep making them stronger and more self sustaining.

Yep. . .

Not saying there isn't an appeal to a harder game, or that it can't even be tweaked a bit harder without losing any audience (I'm sure that is possible), just that we're extremely unlikely (imo) to ever get to the point where regularly content is consistently actually aptly described as 'difficult'. Especially if they don't try to address core pillars. Like when they first release an expansion you do get a bit of a challenge, new gear isn't over synced, stuff hasn't been nerfed, but over time of mechanics and feedback, mixed in with new tools that they have to give to make players feel growth, you get back to where we are. Like clockwork.

They'll have to make substantial and potentially risky changes, and I just think that is far less likely then giving tanks a seppuku debuff lol. That said I just want to clarify I understand your position / desire. I'm probably less inclined to have it as hard as you might want it, because I still want to be able to 'know' if I queue for content that I /will/ complete it (and when things are challenging in a group setting it means I have to rely on Mr. IceMage and One Button Tom to get me through the content- it's not going to happen lol), but I still understand your angle.