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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrahime View Post
    That's not how this works.
    1: It's a level 1 duty.
    - This means that it's not going to give you poetics. Poetics are from level 50+ content and ARR Tribal Quests when done with a level 50+ job. Cope.
    2: It's a non-combat duty.
    - There is no non-combat content that gives you poetics. Wondrous Tails requires you to do 9 Combat Duties.
    3: It's a Gold Saucer duty.
    - These give you MGP and NOTHING ELSE.
    Let's never change anything ever! The trials are always a sidequest! Tanks and Healers have stances! TP is just part of the game - accept it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Let's never change anything ever! The trials are always a sidequest! Tanks and Healers have stances! TP is just part of the game - accept it!
    ok grandpa let's get you back to bed.
    Also you forgot bow/gun casttimes, MNK/NIN's stances, and pet jank

    In every single other MMO/RPG ever, the horse racing minigame doesn't give you experience or the game's main currency. It gives you currency relating to gambling.
    Some MMOs/RPGs have fishing mechanics, and they often give EXP. We have fishing and it's its own job.
    There is no logical reason to give people PvE rewards for doing minigames outside of the designated event where that happens since we have said event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrahime View Post
    ok grandpa let's get you back to bed.
    Also you forgot bow/gun casttimes, MNK/NIN's stances, and pet jank

    In every single other MMO/RPG ever, the horse racing minigame doesn't give you experience or the game's main currency. It gives you currency relating to gambling.
    Some MMOs/RPGs have fishing mechanics, and they often give EXP. We have fishing and it's its own job.
    There is no logical reason to give people PvE rewards for doing minigames outside of the designated event where that happens since we have said event.
    Sure I am the gramps for bringing up your fatalism. Apparrently you also need ALL the examples to get what i mean. I just didn't use every example. "That's not how this works"... if that's your line of thinking than nothing can ever be different and that's just sad. Chocobo racing is dead so they could give it another reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Chocobo racing is dead
    Verminion is even more dead DESPITE being updated every single minor patch with new minions. Most people don't play Chocobo Racing because of the input lag, so unless they put it in the next mogstone event there's no chance of the playerbase increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrahime View Post
    Verminion is even more dead DESPITE being updated every single minor patch with new minions. Most people don't play Chocobo Racing because of the input lag, so unless they put it in the next mogstone event there's no chance of the playerbase increasing.
    Those are just assumptions or do you have data on that? Maybe giving regular tomestones would help? Why not test it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Those are just assumptions or do you have data on that? Maybe giving regular tomestones would help? Why not test it?
    I have data, it's called the queue. At R-240/300 you're basically guaranteed to run into one other person doing Chocobo Racing, whether it's to farm MGP or wins or level their Chocobo.
    Verminion pops even less than Mahjong does, which is saying something. Especially given that you only need 2 people for Verminion.

    Can you stop trying to argue the point that a single specific Gold Saucer Duty is worthy of dropping tomestones rather than all of the other ones?
    You're in the Gold Saucer to get the Gold Saucer currency. If you want the Combat currency, go do Combat content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrahime View Post
    I have data, it's called the queue. At R-240/300 you're basically guaranteed to run into one other person doing Chocobo Racing, whether it's to farm MGP or wins or level their Chocobo.
    Verminion pops even less than Mahjong does, which is saying something. Especially given that you only need 2 people for Verminion.

    Can you stop trying to argue the point that a single specific Gold Saucer Duty is worthy of dropping tomestones rather than all of the other ones?
    You're in the Gold Saucer to get the Gold Saucer currency. If you want the Combat currency, go do Combat content.
    So your personal experience then. Great. How are que times on Oceania been? Might as well use those.

    I never argued against other gold saucer duties dropping tomestones. "The combat currency" is actually one of several and can also be gotten from tribes... some of which are crafter / gatherer quests... so "strong" argument from you there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    So your personal experience then. Great. How are que times on Oceania been? Might as well use those.

    I never argued against other gold saucer duties dropping tomestones. "The combat currency" is actually one of several and can also be gotten from tribes... some of which are crafter / gatherer quests... so "strong" argument from you there...
    You're showing your lack of knowledge for the game. Only the combat tribes (4 of the 5 ARR, Vanu and Vath, Kojin and Ananta, Pixie, and the elephant people i can't spell the name of) give tomestones, and that's only if you're above the level at which you'd have obtained EXP from them on-content.
    Gathering/Crafting tribes don't give you tomes if you do them at/above their level cap. They don't give you scrip, either.

    It's not anecdotal evidence. Try asking in the Achievement Lobby about Verminion. Everyone'll tell you that it's borderline impossible to get an RP match going without asking someone else in or out of game to queue with you, especially during Mogstone events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrahime View Post
    You're showing your lack of knowledge for the game. Only the combat tribes (4 of the 5 ARR, Vanu and Vath, Kojin and Ananta, Pixie, and the elephant people i can't spell the name of) give tomestones, and that's only if you're above the level at which you'd have obtained EXP from them on-content.
    Gathering/Crafting tribes don't give you tomes if you do them at/above their level cap. They don't give you scrip, either.

    It's not anecdotal evidence. Try asking in the Achievement Lobby about Verminion. Everyone'll tell you that it's borderline impossible to get an RP match going without asking someone else in or out of game to queue with you, especially during Mogstone events.
    I never even looked how little tomestones those dailies give and also not if the crafters and gatheres quests do. Why are you so against non-combat related duties giving tomestones? You can get gil with crafting and buy equipment for battle jobs. So what's the difference? If the que for Verminion is so bad then maybe it should give tomes. Heck make it give a few poetics for 50+ chars and endgame tomes aswell for 90 characters. Don't want to destroy lvl 90 dungeon queues? Just give only a small amount. Then see if it even does something or if people still won't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    I never even looked how little tomestones those dailies give and also not if the crafters and gatheres quests do. Why are you so against non-combat related duties giving tomestones? You can get gil with crafting and buy equipment for battle jobs. So what's the difference? If the que for Verminion is so bad then maybe it should give tomes. Heck make it give a few poetics for 50+ chars and endgame tomes aswell for 90 characters. Don't want to destroy lvl 90 dungeon queues? Just give only a small amount. Then see if it even does something or if people still won't bother.
    you're showing your brain damage again. it's not going to give tomes because it doesn't give experience and it's not going to give experience because it's the gold saucer
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