RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[DPZ2]

Oddly enough, I hardly ever notice /shout except for those few times I hang out in Ul'dah while playing on Balmung. And then it's the rough equivalent of Barrens Chat from World of Warcraft back in the 20-aughts.

It's pretty easy to ignore, since I'm generally focused on something else, rather than reading random chat. It's easier still if you place /shout texts into that fourth chat area on your UI ... you know, the one that gets ignored except when you're expecting /shout or /tell traffic worth reading?

As for that enterprising artist, anyone actually catch their Twitch stream to see how good their work actually is?

[TBerry]

There are places and people out there who think normal RP is also sad and pathetic but for different reasons from the ERP crowd. Usually, because people tend to live way too stuck up into their head canon which can be considered a type of mental disorder. It also can have a damaging impact on your life, your social life, and particular places of the game's future such as the game's lore. I've seen this happen within FFXIV. It's why the WoL remains stoic most of the time because it bothered the RPers to see their OC behave in ways that didn't fit their characters.

Also, a lot of normie RPers will engage with ERP and think they aren't one of the bad ones because they did it through the story. The cringiest thing about any RPer is the ones who say silly things like, "I didn't make them do that. My character has a mind of their own. They wanted to do that.". Then be acting like they shouldn't be held accountable for any actions or behavior they did while in RP mode. Like the people who ERP through 'Story' behind their partner's back then be all like, "It's just story babe, my character wanted it". Then get mad at their partner for being mad at them over it like they shouldn't be held accountable.

Uh... alright then.
Someone didn't read the link obviously

[Minali]

As for that enterprising artist, anyone actually catch their Twitch stream to see how good their work actually is?

I'm not sure if it's the same Naraku means, I am in a different region, but the one doing shouts on my server seems to be quite good actually. Definitely wish I'd be able to draw so good in this short amount of time... ^^ It's wild to me they're doing this for free. That said, even though this seems to be one of the rarer shouts (and artists have it hard enough as it is nowadays), it still adds to the noise, so I can see how it is considered rude regardless of quality and interests. I'm sure many of the venues, musicians or FCs doing shouts are also pretty fun and awesome for the people who are into it. It's just the mass of the messages that makes it obnoxious, together with some being half an encyclopedia long.

[strawberrycake]

This. If there's one thing I find a little distasteful in the ERP community (or, to be more accurate: among those who are ardent advocates of it), it's that the general RP community has always heavily, very heavily insisted on showing respect for the other player. I've never RP'd on JVs, but I do within Dnd5, and the rules are the same:

- In the case of "particular" RP (torture, for example; and of course, romance and sex), it's imperative to ask if the other player is OK with this type of theme.
- The overriding rule is to have fun. If the other player is no longer having fun, we stop. Immediately.

However, in the case cited by the OP, these rules are not respected. Which also answers AlexiaD's post: the problem isn't that you're having fun via ERP, but that you're sometimes doing so outside acceptable limits. Here, by making sure of two things before interacting with the player: that he agrees with the principle of the RP, and that he agrees with the approach to sexual themes. I've already met a player who wanted to do ERP with my character; something which, personally, bothers me. He didn't ask beforehand if I was ok with the principle, insisted during the play session even though I'd told him it wasn't my thing => the DM kicked him out of the group the very next session.

The other issue with this is that a lot of people flock to popular MMOs for ERP who aren't regulars of the games RP scene and then give the actual RPers a bad name in some peoples eyes and it becomes a broad generalization of these people and thats also sad.

Since HW I've met plenty of people who ERP'd in this community but you;d never know, now it's just out in the open, and this is heavily due to a lot of people just picking the game with the most bodies. It's a very low effort approach with a pay off.

[TBerry]

In my 4 years of playing FFXIV and about 1 and a half years in RP on EU, I have been "approached" outsice any RP venue in Limsa exactly once.

[strawberrycake]

In my 4 years of playing FFXIV and about 1 and a half years in RP on EU, I have been "approached" outsice any RP venue in Limsa exactly once.

See, each region has their own extremes, NA literally has zero respect for the individual, and people can and will get harassed for little to no reason other then a person felt like it. EU has a problem with each culture being insular and people using that as a mask for more henious actions such as bullying and harming tohers (there was a point and time where all of the EU FFXIV streamers were outed for various horrible things, most of them left the community after) ANd JP literally just has no problem doxing you and making you wanna self delete if you don't stay within what they see as the rules of the community.

So the odds of people in EU and JP being weird about RP, kinda low, but in NA, very VERY possible, and you can do the math for the rest. It's kinda sad that people are like this, that each region even has it's own ills, but this is also why the game should have better then an automated GM response system that only pings actual GMs when the issues is seen as *serious enough* given thats a vague definition. And people definitely abused the lack of GM attention.

[Aurissia]

I'm new to the game and I don't want to offend anyone, but as a long time rp gamer myself (maybe too old now at this point) I will never understand the connection between rp and sexual things in some games. When I was young, at 14 yo I could play d&d safely for example, it was something challenging and stimulating... like understand how to interpretate like an act course and above all to think of strategy based on the situation and so on... now it's like rp it's synonymous of erp. Of course adults can do whatever they want and with their adults group they can rp every aspect of life, you can also only doing cooking dishes role playing, I'm just sorry that theese adults don't understand that if they do a certain type of rp, they shouldn't think that because in the context/game they are in their rp is the majority of rp then everything is allowed...and they should be more careful approaching others.
With that said, I agree with the rp chat

[TBerry]

See, each region has their own extremes, NA literally has zero respect for the individual, and people can and will get harassed for little to no reason other then a person felt like it. EU has a problem with each culture being insular and people using that as a mask for more henious actions such as bullying and harming tohers (there was a point and time where all of the EU FFXIV streamers were outed for various horrible things, most of them left the community after) ANd JP literally just has no problem doxing you and making you wanna self delete if you don't stay within what they see as the rules of the community.

So the odds of people in EU and JP being weird about RP, kinda low, but in NA, very VERY possible, and you can do the math for the rest. It's kinda sad that people are like this, that each region even has it's own ills, but this is also why the game should have better then an automated GM response system that only pings actual GMs when the issues is seen as *serious enough* given thats a vague definition. And people definitely abused the lack of GM attention.

It helps that on Omega they are more tightly organized with many players knowing each other, and that there is no competition, as venues gets their turn, if it's in the roulette.
Also you say all the streamers, but I find it unlikely that other than having some personality flaws each one of them has skeletons in their closet.

[strawberrycake]

It helps that on Omega they are more tightly organized with many players knowing each other, and that there is no competition, as venues gets their turn, if it's in the roulette.
Also you say all the streamers, but I find it unlikely that other than having some personality flaws each one of them has skeletons in their closet.

No this was a genuine event that happened years ago, a group of EU specific streamers were shown to be actively targetting and harassing people for their race, gender, sexuality, and even disabilities, in a shared discord. They were subsequently outted by the EU community, and basically all of them left after that.

[TBerry]

No this was a genuine event that happened years ago, a group of EU specific streams were shown to be actively targetting and harassing people for their race, gender, sexuality, and even disabilities, in a shared discord. They were subsequently outted by the EU community, and basically all of them left after that.

So a group of harassers.
Well not the firstz time as there was apparently a group dedicated to grief people trying to buy a plot as well.