[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

[Turtledeluxe]

That doesn't make any sense, you'd just be counting the same people's likes over and over. After page 3 it's usually just gonna be the same handful of people liking each others posts while most of the reasonable people already left the thread forever. It only makes sense to look at the likes on the OP and the first reply that disagrees.

I actually went to the trouble of counting likes for the first 30 pages. Of the posts that were definitively negative, not people just repeating the exact same idea (some literally say "i'm just saying this again, but I hate it", I did not count those), not debating what if the director is to blame, not debating how a woman should sound, etc, I counted 361 likes supporting said negative posts. Neutral and off topic posts were ignored in general (posts debating the authenticity of the accent, Sena, Twitter, whatever). TO be clear, if someone said "I didn't like the performance, the accent was off" I counted that post but not the tangential "nu uh" posts going back and forth either (in both positive and negative directions).

And to be honest, I was super generous with the "people not repeating themselves" rule, including the OP. I didn't count all their posts but I counted ones that generally did not repeat what they said in the OP. The reason for this is because I think likes that are approving of a new idea should be counted. You can't just say "oh it's the same person posting over and over".
So I even counted negative posts like this:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405217

from the OP.

Then I stopped because it became mind numbing and I did the same for positive posts. I had to stop at page 10 or 11 because I hit 371 likes.

tldr it takes 30 pages for negative likes to hit 361 and 10-11 pages for positive ones to hit 371.

So whether you use this analysis or the first OP, things do not look good for the negative side. The negative side honestly would be higher if I counted posts that were just saying negative things, or negatively responding to other people. I was genuinely trying to count posts that included language like "I felt x way about the performance" on both sides. The positive side also had people who were just making fun of other people or going off topic, and I didn't count them either. It's just from what I remember, but the positive side had significantly less people "repeating" for no reason and actually had less "popular posts". The positive side won, from what I could see, because there's simply more of them. So it's a quantity over quality sort of thing.

[Themarvin]

Wuk Lamath is fine, if you got the ear for the language she is using then you will notice it gets better in the end, after first encounter and that is that.

Like everyone else, Wuk is not a Scholar like the rest of the crew more or less is.
Wuk is a foreign Cat, and is going to have to adapt to Eorzeans, even though it should be the other way around as we are going to travel to her place in the world.
Wuk was adobted and raised by another specie.

It is like no one seem to get or grasp anything of that at all, stop complaining, and see that she will get better in time, being against from the first page in the book is much more being judgemental.

[Vyrerus]

Then I stopped because it became mind numbing and I did the same for positive posts. I had to stop at page 10 or 11 because I hit 371 likes.

So, seeing that you did this, I went to verify.

I counted negative posts towards the voice first, up til page 12. Negative opinions given likes totaled 501.

I went back and counted positive posts towards the voice up to page 12. Positive opinions given likes totaled 342.

I only ignored posts, either negative or positive, if they didn't mentioned the voice acting of Wuk Lamat in EN at all. This left out only posts talking about other things like politics, other voices in other languages, or other characters' voice acting.

You must have an awful lot of people blocked or something. Or perhaps you made some addition errors.

[Vyrerus]

That doesn't make any sense, you'd just be counting the same people's likes over and over. After page 3 it's usually just gonna be the same handful of people liking each others posts while most of the reasonable people already left the thread forever. It only makes sense to look at the likes on the OP and the first reply that disagrees.

This isn't a good rationale. It's somewhat good for this thread, but in many others there are posters with bad reputations or good reputations that get likes simply for who they are, rather than for what they are posting. Never mind people giving likes relative to a perceived socio-political issue rather than for whatever the topic is really about. Or people giving likes for meme responses.

There's actually quite a wide spread of people posting in this thread for its first 7 or so pages and even beyond. It isn't the same folks responding and liking after the page 3, that's for sure.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I like the character, the voice acting was off. Also think the part where Krile says "Thank you, Graha." Sounded absolutely terrible. Gra.....Ha... What was that delivery? It was so unatural!
Where Wuk Lamat is shouting at the bird her obscenities, it doesn't sound right either. I hope the voice acting is better for the expansion or I'll try swapping back to JP voice over.

[Turtledeluxe]

This isn't a good rationale. It's somewhat good for this thread, but in many others there are posters with bad reputations or good reputations that get likes simply for who they are, rather than for what they are posting. Never mind people giving likes relative to a perceived socio-political issue rather than for whatever the topic is really about. Or people giving likes for meme responses.

There's actually quite a wide spread of people posting in this thread for its first 7 or so pages and even beyond. It isn't the same folks responding and liking after the page 3, that's for sure.

I think this explains all you need to know about your methodology and why it should not be trusted. I do not believe players have reputations, nor did that affect my counting. For example I counted your post, and the first post of Swad (who I have on ignore). The rest of his posts were not counted because a. He's a troll account and b. They were mostly him responding to people just repeating himself or, in my case, arguing with me.I stated in this very thread I was blocking them because they continued to stalk posts and personally attack me just because I told them I prefer real accents in voice acting over fake ones. He's the only person who had hidden posts for me and I un ignored him when counting.

My methodology was first impressions. I generally ignored debating on both sides unless the replies themselves were first impressions and relevant. The positive side had many more genuine first impressions, the negative side (as one would expect) often complained over and over about the same things and hounded other people over them liking it.

That said I may have been missing Swads because I unignored him midway through and I'm unsure if I went back and added the 25. Doesn't make any difference anyway. I did count your post (21 negative likes).

I'd also say people can believe what they want. I personally think the thread does indeed indicate how a vocal minority can make it look like they're a majority when literally aren't.

[Troxbark]

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So the guy who thinks the voice is good also says that his count for positive likes is more correct?? Lol.

[MAJRIS]

Im thinking people liked it just in spite to counterbalance the likes that said otherwise.

[Davy_M_Jones]

I'm astonished this is still going on, really. Figured we'd be back to hoping for headgear and hairstyles for Hrothgar and Viera.

[Mimilu]

Personally, I think Wuk's V/A did an fine job overall, even though I do think her accent went through a journey until she ironed it out in the end (which I think was more of a voice direction issue) and maybe the audio sounded a little off (sounded more like a mic issues to me).
I think my biggest problem was the little-to-lack of voice direction for the whole cast this patch (emotions of faces not matching emotions in voices, G'raha going into his Exarch daddy voice, Wuk's accent, etc.) and lukewarm-to-subpar story and dialog writing, which would be on the EN voice director and the writing team. (；・∀・)