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  1. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Show me the data that everyone loves it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    The proof is in the fact that complaints grossly outnumber praise.
    Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

    Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.
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  2. #412
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Show me the data that everyone loves it.

    The first response has more likes than your OP, by almost double.
    I'd say that's relevant.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 01-28-2024 at 12:41 PM.

  3. #413
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusOnline View Post
    Mmmh, yes all 45 which isn't even a sample representative of the outraged consumers greatly outnumber praise.

    Also, a handy dandy mini guide for both of you as to why this type of argument is just generally nonsense.
    "we don't have any proof that everyone loves it but by default we are right" is pure ignorance. I'd post a clown emote, but I think you're at least that self aware... Right?
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  4. #414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
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    Yes, we are all aware that out of 400+ replies there are a handful of posts calling for her to be fired. This doesn't make you right and there's so few calling for it that your point about it is completely irrelevant. In a perfect world poor performing employees would be fired but that is not the case so the vast majority of people are settling for simple improvements.

    And yes I'm aware of the "likes", just like you claiming people complain more, I too can say that because of the voice actresses status there are just as many tribal people here that will blindly defend her by default because of that status. That too would make the likes questionable at best.

    To point out the tribalism here, you're defending the accent that is inconsistent at the LEAST under the guise of it being a made up "tural accent". Yet the same issue with accents in ARR you criticize and don't claim that they are simply "eorzean accents". This is a blatant double standard.
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  5. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    Yes, we are all aware that out of 400+ replies there are a handful of posts calling for her to be fired. This doesn't make you right and there's so few calling for it that your point about it is completely irrelevant. In a perfect world poor performing employees would be fired but that is not the case so the vast majority of people are settling for simple improvements.

    And yes I'm aware of the "likes", just like you claiming people complain more, I too can say that because of the voice actresses status there are just as many tribal people here that will blindly defend her by default because of that status. That too would make the likes questionable at best.

    To point out the tribalism here, you're defending the accent that is inconsistent at the LEAST under the guise of it being a made up "tural accent". Yet the same issue with accents in ARR you criticize and don't claim that they are simply "eorzean accents". This is a blatant double standard.
    It absolutely makes me right. Only takes 1 person and me commenting on it is valid. I never said it was a ton of people. Unlike the two of you, I do not make claims I cannot backup. I label them as maybes or perhaps.

    Saying people like her or won't fire her because she's trans is just another claim you cannot back up.

    Also unlike you I do not use the term "inconsistent". I never used it. I said ARR voice acting was bad..and it's bad because the actors often did not express lines appropriately for the scenes half the time. Inconsistent accents are prevalent IRL, especially with bilingual people who grew up in diverse areas or someone who moves to another country and remains there. For example if you're English but move to the US, your accent can soften or even change entirely over long periods. So I do not use this term. It's dumb and it tells us nothing specific anyway. It's like complaining about a boss.battle and saying "it's bad, it's inconsistent". Without details that means nothing.

    I'd also point out the game is rife with accents that sound a bit off at times because actors sometimes struggle with the unusual wording and names in this game.

    And before you say it, please read the first post I made more thoroughly once again. I did not say everyone likes the performance. I asked someone else (not you) how they expect to have her removed given there is no clear consensus among players and her tweets aren't damning at all. And so far the answer is "Well we got a sound effect changed one time". Great, let us know how that works out, assuming that it's even the same situation where few people were requesting that change but it still got done (I doubt it).
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-28-2024 at 02:23 PM.

  6. #416
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    Still gonna complain, don't care. She sucks. You can come in here and scream all you want I'm not changing my stance.
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  7. #417
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    It absolutely makes me right. Only takes 1 person and me commenting on it is valid. I never said it was a ton of people. Unlike the two of you, I do not make claims I cannot backup. I label them as maybes or perhaps.

    Saying people like her or won't fire her because she's trans is just another claim you cannot back up.

    Also unlike you I do not use the term "inconsistent". I never used it. I said ARR voice acting was bad..and it's bad because the actors often did not express lines appropriately for the scenes half the time. Inconsistent accents are prevalent IRL, especially with bilingual people who grew up in diverse areas or someone who moves to another country and remains there. For example if you're English but move to the US, your accent can soften or even change entirely over long periods. So I do not use this term. It's dumb and it tells us nothing specific anyway. It's like complaining about a boss.battle and saying "it's bad, it's inconsistent". Without details that means nothing.

    I'd also point out the game is rife with accents that sound a bit off at times because actors sometimes struggle with the unusual wording and names in this game.

    And before you say it, please read the first post I made more thoroughly once again. I did not say everyone likes the performance. I asked someone else (not you) how they expect to have her removed given there is no clear consensus among players and her tweets aren't damning at all. And so far the answer is "Well we got a sound effect changed one time". Great, let us know how that works out, assuming that it's even the same situation where few people were requesting that change but it still got done (I doubt it).
    No, finding even a single post out of hundreds doesn't make you right. It actually makes your argument even more weak because then you're arguing from a stand point that no one actually cares about. There's so few people calling for her to be fired, that it's actually weird that it's been the main focal point of every one of your posts so far.

    Inconsistent is a descriptive term, in fact it's a adjective.

    For example if you're English but move to the US
    So you agree that her accent is based on a real world accent, glad you have finally come around on this.
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  8. #418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Still gonna complain, don't care. She sucks. You can come in here and scream all you want I'm not changing my stance.

    You can complain all you want, just don't feel like you have the right to request she get fired or think that you belong to some silent majority.
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  9. #419
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    I am the silent majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    I am the silent majority.
    Prove it. Let's see the data.
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