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  1. #2681
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunhwapark View Post
    I remember having problems joining parties in Eden's Gate Savage PF in early weeks as an AST because of the problems it had with low healing potencies at launch which made things like basic w2w pulls in dungeons virtually impossible (until they buffed potencies on savage patch day) which led to some parties outright locking slots to whm+sch, or asking to swap to SCH.

    It's unfortunate that I've gone from loving this class to suddenly finding it not at all enjoyable anymore, but I think it's the Shadowbringers 2.0 effect.
    Iirc it didn't just have lower healing potencies, it also had MP issues.
    Since they reworked Celestial Opposition to no longer extend your buffs and reworked the cards to only provide damage AST had no way to increase their MP gain outside of Lucid Dreaming anymore and couldn't even extend that regen, so AST ended up being the only healer that required more piety to not straight up run out of MP.
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  2. #2682
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by tearagion View Post
    I played 90% astro (when I was healing) this expansion because it's the most active and variable healer, so the "why" is a subset of players enjoys it more than the other options atm
    Cool and I don’t mind people playing astro but as we can see with the astro clear numbers why hurt your hands playing the job when a whm drooling on his keyboard is more effective in a decent number off cases. I was a astro main back in the days but even I don’t wanna play the job anymore.
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  3. #2683
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    AST is the perfect example of a class where if you don’t reward players for higher complexity then nobody is actually going to play it


    I’m not even going to mention that AST’s complexity is garbage and basically amounts to “punish console players” but even still if you make players play yugioh to do almost 20% less damage than whatever WHM is doing then as we can see nobody is going to play it
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  4. #2684
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
    World
    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    AST would be so much less horrible to play if it’s goal wasn’t to smash several minutes worth of cards and cooldowns into a 10 second window leaving nothing but monotony, disappointment and finger cramp for the other 110 seconds =/
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  5. #2685
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    Sani2341's Avatar
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    AST would be so much less horrible to play if it’s goal wasn’t to smash several minutes worth of cards and cooldowns into a 10 second window leaving nothing but monotony, disappointment and finger cramp for the other 110 seconds =/
    Yeah.

    Playing AST casually with hitting cards on cd rather than saving them is fine.

    But trying to squeeze as much as possible into buffs for optimizing is pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

  6. #2686
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    Yeah.

    Playing AST casually with hitting cards on cd rather than saving them is fine.

    But trying to squeeze as much as possible into buffs for optimizing is pain.
    Honestly they don’t even need to make cards AOE, since they don’t seem to want to bring sleeve draw back just revert the changes on draw having charges and delete minor arcana, redraw and trashtrodyne

    Suddenly your burst isn’t a mess, you aren’t actively punished for using cards outside of the overfull 2 minute burst window and since the two minute burst window is now only 2 cards, star and div you really don’t need lightspeed for it anymore
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  7. #2687
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    It was kinda interesting to see how much astro has fallen from its glory days back in Stormblood. Sure the balance by and far the best card but there was a certain satisfaction you got when you got dealt a bad set of cards and you were able to make the most of it.
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  8. #2688
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    It was kinda interesting to see how much astro has fallen from its glory days back in Stormblood. Sure the balance by and far the best card but there was a certain satisfaction you got when you got dealt a bad set of cards and you were able to make the most of it.
    The funny thing is anyone with a brain could have seen this coming when they decided to give draw charges because all that was ever going to do was make the entire class play like a console player trying to play around pre 5.3 sleeve draw
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  9. #2689
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Man they really did screw up minor arcana again though when they came then just aoe versions of their stormblood iterations. Part of me is worried about the 7.0 card rework but it’s hard to think that they can go any lower but I’ve been proven wrong in that aspect before.
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  10. #2690
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Man they really did screw up minor arcana again though when they came then just aoe versions of their stormblood iterations. Part of me is worried about the 7.0 card rework but it’s hard to think that they can go any lower but I’ve been proven wrong in that aspect before.
    Regarding the "7.0 card rework", I haven't seen a description of the changes as yet. To be fair, I would assume that there is a good chance that cards are going to be affected, but I don't think anyone has confirmed that as yet.
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