Wuk Lamat is the worst and most annoying character ever in this game

[Junepi93]

...and then one day, for no reason at all, people started hating the voice actor

Aren't you guys the one telling her to step down because she's not South American or whatever? Also some telling her to step down simply because she's trans, even if they don't admit that.

I'd have to agree, I don't know the show but I'd imagine a trans character should be played by a trans voice actor even if I disagree that the person should step down.

What you showed me was petty Twitter beef and I don't care that much about it. Nothing to warrant a dozen threads over.

Also a trans woman is a woman, Wuk is a woman, so trying to flip that argument like that is just transphobia.

Don't like her personally and her work, that's fine, but to make it this big of a deal? Acting like she's hurt someone or something. Nah there's more going on here than that.

[Stormpeaks]

It also has nothing to do with the quality of the acting or how she sounds. Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Well she is a terrible voice actor, that is my personal opinion, and the opinion a lot of people also share, and on top of that, she is a terrible person as can be seen on her twitter, tweets such as :

https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...03514031775745

https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...30199041445889

Aren't you guys the one telling her to step down because she's not South American or whatever? Also some telling her to step down simply because she's trans, even if they don't admit that.

I'd have to agree, I don't know the show but I'd imagine a trans character should be played by a trans voice actor even if I disagree that the person should step down.

What you showed me was petty Twitter beef and I don't care that much about it. Nothing to warrant a dozen threads over.

Also a trans woman is a woman, Wuk is a woman, so trying to flip that argument like that is just transphobia.

Don't like her personally and her work, that's fine, but to make it this big of a deal? Acting like she's hurt someone or something. Nah there's more going on here than that.

No, a trans woman is a trans woman. A biological male that did a transition (see, the trans word in trans woman !) to female.

[Junepi93]

Well she is a terrible voice actor, that is my personal opinion, and the opinion a lot of people also share, and on top of that, she is a terrible person as can be seen on her twitter, tweets such as :

https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...03514031775745

https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...30199041445889



No, a trans woman is a trans woman. A biological male that did a transition (see, the trans word in trans woman !) to female.

A trans woman is a woman, a trans man is a man. Being transphobic doesn't change that fact. I'm not arguing over this anymore, I'm off these forums until this nonsense is over with. The ffxiv community should be ashamed, we've always been a welcoming community. This feels more like asmon wow territory now.

[Stormpeaks]

A trans woman is a woman, a trans man is a man. Being transphobic doesn't change that fact. I'm not arguing over this anymore, I'm off these forums until this nonsense is over with. The ffxiv community should be ashamed, we've always been a welcoming community. This feels more like asmon wow territory now.

I am not transphobic for saying a trans woman is a trans woman, it literally is self implied that they have transitioned to be a woman, that's why they are called trans women.

Enjoy your hiatus from the forums though.

If I misgendered them, I'd agree with you that it's transphobic, but I am not. They are a she, but they are still trans women.

[Sindele]

The bright side is that this place is not really in any way representative of 'the FFXIV community', no matter how vociferously a few people around here choose to nominate themselves as the Voice of the Masses. It's a couple handfuls of people who have been thrown out of everywhere else, a couple handfuls who don't know anywhere else exists, a couple handfuls who have been told to shut up about the stupid thing they're complaining about in their usual communities, and a couple handfuls of wanderers who should know better than to stick their head in the dumpster but do it anyway. It's about as representative as your neighborhood on Nextdoor or a Twitter poll.

Definitely a new low for some of you, though!

[Boblawblah]

Not really related to the voice acting, but

It's really a shame we can't have discussions about what it IS to be a trans woman/man, and how that differs (if you think it does or doesn't) from being a woman/man. Instead, we have one side that belittles/mocks the other side and thinks their mentally ill, and spews all sorts of hate, and the other side will often shut down all discussion with "A trans man/woman is a man/woman. period. there is no discussion".

Where is any sense of nuance in modern discourse? Makes me a bit sad.

[Sindele]

Nuance in publicly-facing discussions has been dead on the internet more or less since inception. An unfortunate reality is that gatekeeping often keeps people with value out, but an unkept gate also means the people who want to dump on the discussion can walk on in.

That said, it's also a discussion where most people don't actually have useful or valuable insight. Considering that validity of someone's existence is not really for anyone else to debate, all that's left is a morass of inconsequential judgements and opinions.

[Raikaiko]

Not really related to the voice acting, but

It's really a shame we can't have discussions about what it IS to be a trans woman/man, and how that differs (if you think it does or doesn't) from being a woman/man. Instead, we have one side that belittles/mocks the other side and thinks their mentally ill, and spews all sorts of hate, and the other side will often shut down all discussion with "A trans man/woman is a man/woman. period. there is no discussion".

Where is any sense of nuance in modern discourse? Makes me a bit sad.

Be the change you want to see in the world, because while I want to extend some good faith that it is for ignorance and not malice, I find some nuance lacking here.

A trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man, I reject the premise that there is any discussion or debate to be had there.

There is no difference between a trans woman and this platonic ideal, adjectiveless woman, and really I think when you get down into it, in a nuanced and intersectional discussion that adjectiveless woman is a concept that isn't functional and useful. Is there a difference in the experiences of trans women and cis women, yes, absolutely, but by that same token there is a difference in the experience of a black women and white women, between disabled women and able-bodied women, low socioeconomic status women and high ses women. "Women" is a set and all of these groups within it are subsets, but they are still a part of the overall set. Identities are so multifaceted, intersectional, and individual. You cannot define a platonic ideal of the set as a whole to compare the subsets to. When set X contains [a, b, c] you can compare "a" and "not a" but you can't compare "a" and N because N includes "a".

[Fourbestintoner]

They're a bad va, I don't care what their religion is.

Hien was also making an accent

And he was also bad, what's your point?

[Freyar]

To me it just matters that the voice works for the character. At first it didn't, but over time the work grew on me and I got to the point where I enjoyed Wuk Lamat. I'm interested in seeing what happens in the future.