Wuk Lamat is the worst and most annoying character ever in this game

[KayRadley]

Y'all ninjas posting in a troll thread.

[Karious]

Negative opinions about voice acting and the direction of the game does not indicate that people are trolling.

[Alaray]

Sorry this is long. I don't know, it's more generalized beyond what I'm homing in on here. But it was a good outlet to dig into this, especially as I felt these threads have been good examples of what my issue is. Can't blame anyone who cba'd to read.

Firstly, thank you for a nicely thought out response, even if I had to cut out a lot of it to fit in a response. This is the kind of thing I was hoping to see here so I really appreciate it.

There are actually a few people talking about this but they're completely buried in mountains of hatred right now. A number of people have noticed how strange a few characters sounded in the new patch, even performances from VAs that are highly regarded here such as G'raha and Krile. Personally I think this is valid criticism, especially those who are bringing up other factors such as direction and issues with VAs working remotely. I would like to see these points brought up more often because I think that's a far more balanced discussion as opposed to pinning the entirety of the blame on a single VA.

I understand this subject is maybe ultimately subjective in the end as you personally seemed to hear nothing wrong, but I still see value in people talking about these things as long as they are civil about it, which unfortunately is not really happening in the majority of these threads, which is why I'm so disappointed.

I chose to take a look through both threads, to see if there were criticisms that I would consider objectively valuable when it comes to the critique of a performance with intent to improve, on the side of the company or other with the standard I put of: "Providing a direct, tangible example" of where the critical problem occurs (I could provide two, to be fair, but I don't consider them important to me - but if I could find two, I'm sure someone whose entire perspective is more thoroughly negative could find something).

Generally, I did not find anything that was up to the standard I described. All I did encounter was a lot of vitriol, or "I don't like it" styled statements. "I don't like it" is fine, but I'll be honest -- this isn't valuable critique or feedback. And there were a lot of other pieces of feedback that read more akin to... here, I'll write an example to illustrate what I mean:

"Shakespeare is one of the most overrated playwrights of his era. His plays are poorly paced, his dialogue is dry, confusing, and filled with childish jokes that take you right out of the scene. Not to mention how terrible the prose is; with all those odd embellishments to where I simply could not follow the narrative. This is all just a side effect of how awful a playwright this man is. Why anyone appreciates his work, I have no idea, other than they must simply love the man and would sing his praises even while he thwacks them overhead with a shovel and spits on their food."

It's a lot of words, but they ultimately boil down to: "I don't like it." I don't provide examples where things felt "poorly paced", nor do I provide examples of dialogue that fit within my criticism of: "dry, confusing and filled with childish jokes", nor do I explain how, or why, that takes me out of the scene and why that's important. Then, I chose to deride anyone who might disagree with me by essentially stating that those who dissent from my perspective are sycophantic worshipers.

So, what's even valuable about my faux critique of Shakespeare? What am I bringing to the table to dig into? To discuss? If someone were to ask me to clarify and provide examples, I should respond by actually doing this and not reiterating my last sentence over and over and over again.

It's also drenched in condescending, spiteful language - am I critiquing anything? Or just insulting someone's work? Does this "critique" I wrote say anything much about the work, or does it show someone who's a bit more familiar with those works insight to how I, as a person, choose to behave when met with something I'm unfamiliar with, find difficult, or even - possibly - find uncomfortable? Would it be incorrect for that person to assume that it's more likely I don't really know what I'm talking about? That most of it is likely coming from misunderstanding, unfamiliarity, and an unwillingness to engage more thoughtfully? Am I, perhaps, using the spite to overcompensate for an insecurity that, maybe, I don't really understand the work and feel too afraid of someone judging me for that? Or, maybe, I just really don't like the guy. For some. Reason. Hm.

I'll say this: Statements like I wrote, especially when they are written a bit more thoughtfully and with more respectful language, are completely fine starting points to develop a thoughtful conversation. But it's not objective, valuable critique -- it's a subjective opinion that, generally, someone might look at and want to understand why it is I think that way. And then... you know, you share perspectives with each other from there, and so on and so on.

And that is valuable. And there can be valuable information of interest to professionals in those kinds of discussions, or when people are generally expressing a notion in a constructive manner (as it can point to an issue to look at) -- but, when it's all so spiteful, vitriolic and downright insulting... who's... going to gain value from that? I mean, no one should read all that for their own sake. It's degrading. It's demotivating. It saps at your mind. And no one here, who dishes that out, would ever be able to take it in kind so any "lol grow thicker skin"-esque comments fall on deaf ears when they're whining at someone for posting a meme image saying their post was uninteresting.

It's frustrating, though. I like genuine, good-faith discussions. I like trying to learn and see new perspectives, or to maybe learn something new myself. Online spaces are just so filled with this "vitriolic 'critic'" type persona that "combats" the "I love everything and I'll send anyone who disagrees with me hateful messages" persona not realizing they're both equally unhinged and weird.

And I don't mean to make this feel like it's all directed at you, Deco. I'm more using things you said before, and now, as jumping off points - I was genuinely hoping to find what you described, and while there were very, very few (I mean on one hand few) posts that were a little more respectful when presenting their thoughts, the way they were engaged with ultimately destroyed any potential for anything of interest to be said. I'm typing a lot since I've felt this way for a while, and this felt like an appropriate place to put it out there to some degree.

Especially when I feel like a lot of the "criticism" is just intended to attack the VA for being trans. I see it in posts (prior to deletion), I see it in tags, I see it insinuated, and I've never seen this level of... focus, on an individual's work with a character before (no, not even with Varshan/whoever the [...]k else -- I don't know their VA names and I checked those threads out, too. I know way more about this character's VA than I honestly feel comfortable knowing from, essentially, a thread of unhinged vitriol for 80+% of it). It's... really [...]ing weird, I'll be honest.

[Mithron]

Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.

Let me impose the same question to you: if I live in Japan, does that make me Japanese? If I have White children on another White woman I brought to Japan, are those children Japanese? Do they represent Japan? What if we did it so much that Japanese are now considered minority in Japan and instead the highest population density is White? Do you not see how insulting that is? Stop being racist.

And since you brought up "original tribes," one word to stop you: Tartaria.

This is a multi-million dollar game that's been out for over a decade. They no longer have the luxury of having such sub-par amateur voice actors play main roles, especially when they're willing to recycle current actors for other roles as often as they do. She doesn't sound experienced at all, she sounds like the kid who played Vaan in FF12.

[Kreyd]

[Merrigan]

Let me impose the same question to you: if I live in Japan, does that make me Japanese? If I have White children on another White woman I brought to Japan, are those children Japanese? Do they represent Japan? What if we did it so much that Japanese are now considered minority in Japan and instead the highest population density is White? Do you not see how insulting that is? Stop being racist.

In some countries, the fact that your children were born in a country, educated like natives, share the same ideals as these natives and share their language will make them strictly equivalent to the natives in question.

For others, ethnicity is too central and cannot be separated from nationality, with a few exceptions.

So there is no universal answer to your question. For your example: in Japan, the fact that you are not of Japanese blood will always be a problem, and being white you will surely never be considered anything other than a foreigner.

[Eastwall]

6.0: Varshahn is the most annoying characer ever
6.2: Zero is the most annoying character ever
6.55: Wuk Lamat is the most annoying character ever

never change, official forums, never change

Because they are cancer, so they see everyone else as cancer

[Raikaiko]

And since you brought up "original tribes," one word to stop you: Tartaria.

Cool cool cool, we're going deep cut niche conspiracy theories, thanks for making it crystal clear that it's time to stop engaging with you

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Cool cool cool, we're going deep cut niche conspiracy theories, thanks for making it crystal clear that it's time to stop engaging with you

Dang, I thought people who believed in that were a myth. I never expected to see one on the forums lmao.

[Ravenblade1979]

I mean, wasn't that bad. The npc put on a brave face but in the eye of terror really showed cowardice. So much so that even Graha thought to give encouragement.

Shows a hunter who speaks large but when facing a real foes can and will seize up.

As for the voice acting. Wasn't bad. They had a direction they were going with it and probably nailed it.

As for the npcs looks. That's way better then it was in the trailer. In the trailer the body looked ripped from femroe and they stuck a small head on there lol. This is also a real first look in game but it will probably get way better come dawntrail time.

As for the fans. We know lots of them are horn dogs wanting that femhroth for...well we all know