Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[Jargal]

Relic weapon is now a total catch up weapon for those that didn't do savage at the end of the expansion. I don't even know why this is controversial. Oh hey? You didn't raid? Excited about the expansion? here is how you can catch up to all the folk going in with BIS without having to learn all the savage fights.

Its not a catch up because its not required to do anything in the game, you don't need BIS to clear msq dungeons and trials, or to progress in the main parts of the game, period. Thats not what the definition of "catching up" means. The relic isn't even necessary to start the next expansion, you can just dump poetics on the augmented tomeweapon after the new expansion drops. What is your point? BIS in FFXIV is more of a achievement and rights to brag and nothing more. You do more damage in the msq content, sure, but its not required to access/clear them.

Imagine telling a player: "hey go do the entirety of Hildibrand's quest lines, its trials and farm 6000 tomestones to get the BiS weapon of the expansion" a couple of weeks prior to the next expansion, as opposed to: "save up to 600 poetics to buy a weapon 5 ILs lower than the final step of the relic at the new expansion launch" and have the audacity to claim that the former is a "catch up" form. Are you serious?

catch up
phrasal verb of catch
1.
succeed in reaching a person who is ahead of one.
"he stopped and waited for Lily to catch up"

There's no one ahead of anyone by having BIS, you are not getting any more access to things by having savage BIS. Everyone has access to the same things, relic/savage wpn in hand or not.

[TaleraRistain]

Also just going to link the Everquest Magician relic quest for people that think they want a grind.
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?quest=760

Also the good old enchanter snake stick. Most of the EQ epics had you camping something for days just to do the quests that let you start the epic quests.

[Saraide]

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Why is "being required to access content" a necessary quality to call something a catch up weapon? I think you just made that up to argue semantics. Someone with BiS is ahead in ilvl over someone who isnt, the last step of the relic lets them catch up to that ilvl without doing savage.

[Solakor]

Why is "being required to access content" a necessary quality to call something a catch up weapon? I think you just made that up to argue semantics. Someone with BiS is ahead in ilvl over someone who isnt, the last step of the relic lets them catch up to that ilvl without doing savage.

LETTHEMCOOK. The mental gymnastics are strong

[Jargal]

Why is "being required to access content" a necessary quality to call something a catch up weapon? I think you just made that up to argue semantics. Someone with BiS is ahead in ilvl over someone who isnt, the last step of the relic lets them catch up to that ilvl without doing savage.

Catch up gear is precisely the fastest and easiest way to access content a new player wouldn't be able to with lower IL, allowing them to do anything the game offers, the moment they have access to do/clear anything there is to do at endgame or at the launch of a new expansion, what other catching up is there left? They are caught up, the end.
Relic was never a catch up form, but is another means to get a single BiS piece (I say piece because you still have suboptimal gearpieces on your body, that you only can get by doing savage).

[Destati]

I have done my fair share of complaining for Eureka back in the day and I certainly griped over Bozja in some aspects (was not a fan of the RNG), but I would prefer doing either of those things for relics than the lame tome grind we got this expansion. In retrospect, despite all my fussing, I miss playing in those zones and it felt good working towards the weapon. Here in Endwalker, grinding for the relics doesn't feel nearly as gratifying. They're just symbolic of me running content that I do normally over and over.

[TakumiHarada]

Dailies and roulette are literally the same thing.

1. You can still do roulettes without the bonus. So no they're not "literally" the same thing. They're "literally" 2 different things.
2. "Other daily bonus" means poetics/comedy/the small amount of gil.
At least when I don't have anything else to do, and there's no hunt trains going on, I can pop an expert roulette or even a 90 roulette if I'm bored enough, and still make some progress towards MW.

EW had everything confined in the zones, and the grind was quite fun during 4.x, but nowadays it's highly dependent on going in at the right time to spawn and kill NMs efficiently.
ZW/AW were awful during the dungeon/trial steps, in the sense that you were (and still are) limited to specific contents in a very specific order.
RW was a mix of the bad bits from both. Go to the alliance and normal raids >10 times each (thank god it was only once), and then for each weapon, grind old FATEs/pointless trash enemies inside Bozja, speed-run Antitower/Hells' Lid, and repeat CLL & DR over and over again.

Disclaimer here, I got most of the ZW/AW and all RW, and I still prefer MW's style.
And since the 7.x weapon is going to go back to Eureka/Bozja style, I hope the one-off steps would be confined in the area, and the repeated steps would be like MW, using only the 2nd tomestone.

[Naoki34]

It's perfect, given some people's dungeon skills, because with some dps, you can do just as fast in the Trust system, without the failures. It's a sick end to the expansion.

Between the fragile tanks, the dps who can't provide good dps despite their stuff and the heals who can't heal more than one pack of mobs. And of course, no materia.

[Mostly_Raxus]

is it just me or is the sam relic pretty much one of the fan made weapons (that wasn't picked) with a particle effect added?

[Boblawblah]

Relic weapon is now a total catch up weapon for those that didn't do savage at the end of the expansion. I don't even know why this is controversial. Oh hey? You didn't raid? Excited about the expansion? here is how you can catch up to all the folk going in with BIS without having to learn all the savage fights.

I don't even know if that's true, but it sounds AWESOME.