Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Sani2341]

Yeah.

Still torn on if I want to hope the AST rework is fun and makes one healer enjoyable again.

Or be pessimistic and hope it is so bad it kills healer population.

Sadly until the media tour there's little to do but speculate and/or grumble into the void about the EW status quo.

[Aravell]

It’s a desire to want to see the conversation stay relevant. The problem has not gone away, and the people frustrated by it are not any less frustrated, and there’s a fear that if the conversation ends, that these issues will just be quietly swept under the rug. But yeah everything that can be said has been said at least a dozen times at this point.

Someone will pop in and go “I’d rather just heal more” or “if you want to DPS then play a DPS job”, and I or someone else will once again push the boulder up the hill explaining why that isn’t a viable solution by itself or why that’s a double standard that no other role experiences respectively. But there’s nothing new to say, and at this point, whatever direction they’re taking healers in for DT is likely set in stone for the next 3 years. All we can really do is wait and see what happens.

I'm not saying we should stop talking about it entirely, I'm just pointing out that if we have to deal with someone coming in and making strange claims again, it would just build more frustration. It's also the fact that all the regulars have already said all there is to say, so there's really not much conversation that can be had until something new is brought onto the table.

Still torn on if I want to hope the AST rework is fun and makes one healer enjoyable again.

Or be pessimistic and hope it is so bad it kills healer population.

I don't think the AST population is that high at all, so there's probably not much of a population to kill in the first place. Isn't AST the least popular healer?

[Supersnow845]

AST is the least popular healer by a long shot

WHM is the most popular (except in criterion where the shields dominate), SGE and SCH trade for second and third based on data centre and then AST is dead last in pretty much every piece of content, the AST stats on AAI are actually hilarious with how underused it is because that invisible projecting buff they give to buff jobs in 4 man content is hilariously underpowered on AST because AST also sucks at AOE alongside sucking at 4 man single target

[Mortex]

I don't think the AST population is that high at all, so there's probably not much of a population to kill in the first place. Isn't AST the least popular healer?

Yes it is but more or less the reason Is why play astro finger destruction simulator when whm does the same with less finger breaking. Like I could learn a piano or other finger heavy hobby’s that are funny , rather then play astro.

[Supersnow845]

Yes it is but more or less the reason Is why play astro finger destruction simulator when whm does the same with less finger breaking. Like I could learn a piano or other finger heavy hobby’s that are funny , rather then play astro.

In a good chunk of content AST is 100x harder (and horribly designed) and still ends up being weaker than WHM anyway (it’s massively weaker than WHM in criterion, is generally weaker than WHM in ultimates and only passes WHM in savage at like the 97th percentile)

At least SCH somewhat rewards you for being harder than SGE by being better than SGE in most content at even the low mid percentiles

[Aravell]

In a good chunk of content AST is 100x harder (and horribly designed) and still ends up being weaker than WHM anyway (it’s massively weaker than WHM in criterion, is generally weaker than WHM in ultimates and only passes WHM in savage at like the 97th percentile)

At least SCH somewhat rewards you for being harder than SGE by being better than SGE in most content at even the low mid percentiles

I did play AST in the first criterion, I think the biggest issue I had with AST was that Earthly Star is so obscenely big that you can easily pull extra mobs if you're not careful. But yeah, it felt so much easier when I played SGE instead for the second criterion.

[Maltothoris]

For astro partially the reason for was what they did to the new card system. Stb astro may of had issues but the card system wasn’t too demanding. Come shadowbringers, controller players were not having the best time with it and o remember like the numbers for week 4 were like 90k white mage clears that week for Eden’s gate compared to 8k astro clears.

[Aravell]

For astro partially the reason for was what they did to the new card system. Stb astro may of had issues but the card system wasn’t too demanding. Come shadowbringers, controller players were not having the best time with it and o remember like the numbers for week 4 were like 90k white mage clears that week for Eden’s gate compared to 8k astro clears.

Patch 5.0 AST was basically unplayable for controller players. Sleeve Draw was manual draw, so you had 3 extra buttons to press during your (re)opener, and that's without counting any Redraws that you need to do.

[Sunhwapark]

I remember having problems joining parties in Eden's Gate Savage PF in early weeks as an AST because of the problems it had with low healing potencies at launch which made things like basic w2w pulls in dungeons virtually impossible (until they buffed potencies on savage patch day) which led to some parties outright locking slots to whm+sch, or asking to swap to SCH.

It's unfortunate that I've gone from loving this class to suddenly finding it not at all enjoyable anymore, but I think it's the Shadowbringers 2.0 effect.

[tearagion]

Yes it is but more or less the reason Is why play astro finger destruction simulator when whm does the same with less finger breaking. Like I could learn a piano or other finger heavy hobby’s that are funny , rather then play astro.

I played 90% astro (when I was healing) this expansion because it's the most active and variable healer, so the "why" is a subset of players enjoys it more than the other options atm