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    I'm going to preface this by saying that I haven't gone through MSQ yet so I haven't had the opportunity to hear Wuk Lamat's voice for myself. That being said, I rarely set my expectations for voice acting very high in this game and I usually put the fault at the direction rather than the voice actors themselves.

    I swear this thread wouldn't be happening (not directed at OP) if Wuk Lamat was voiced by a cis woman. Because there are dozens of other characters in this game who sound as flat as a Lalafell's chest (forgive the expression), and none of them have elicited a 20+ page thread on their voice acting. So she has an inauthentic-sounding accent? Where was that criticism with Varsahn and a bunch of the other Thavnair characters? Why is it suddenly a problem now?

    I was over the moon to find out that Wuk Lamat has a trans voice actress, and I look forward to hearing her in game. At the very least I'm hoping that in Dawntrail she'll have found her groove with her and deliver a better performance.

    I apologize if I come off a little heated, the transphobia I have seen over this is infuriating. I want to be clear that I think people are allowed to not like the voice acting, nor do people have to support a character just because their actor is LGBTQ+, but all these bad-faith criticisms and blatant misgendering of the actress is crossing the line.


    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    In any case I'd like to apologize for my previous post, I saw a bunch of screenshots elsewhere that were probably taken out of context. Didn't think I was playing that card, but yikes. I'm sorry.
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    Last edited by Destati; 01-18-2024 at 07:32 PM. Reason: Got stupidly emotional over a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    I'm going to preface this by saying that I haven't gone through MSQ yet so I haven't had the opportunity to hear Wuk Lamat's voice for myself. That being said, I rarely set my expectations for voice acting very high in this game and I usually put the fault at the direction rather than the voice actors themselves.

    I swear this thread wouldn't be happening (not directed at OP) if Wuk Lamat was voiced by a cis woman. Because there are dozens of other characters in this game who sound as flat as a Lalafell's chest (forgive the expression), and none of them have elicited a 20+ page thread on their voice acting. So she has an inauthentic-sounding accent? Where was that criticism with Varsahn and a bunch of the other Thavnair characters? Why is it suddenly a problem now?

    I was over the moon to find out that Wuk Lamat has a trans voice actress, and I look forward to hearing her in game. At the very least I'm hoping that in Dawntrail she'll have found her groove with her and deliver a better performance.

    I apologize if I come off a little heated, the transphobia I have seen over this is infuriating. I want to be clear that I think people are allowed to not like the voice acting, nor do people have to support a character just because their actor is LGBTQ+, but all these bad-faith criticisms and blatant misgendering of the actress is crossing the line.
    oh please stop with the constant victimization already, like acually for real, saying a voice actor sounds too manly after doing a transition M to F or that they have a voice too deep and it doesnt sound right is not transphobia, just stop it
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    If one made a comment that a black person sounded too white, I think most would agree that is a racist comment. Likewise saying that a trans woman sounds too manly is pretty implicitly transphobic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theozilla View Post
    If one made a comment that a black person sounded too white, I think most would agree that is a racist comment. Likewise saying that a trans woman sounds too manly is pretty implicitly transphobic.
    No it isnt.
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    I think certain posters are coming up with increasingly bizarre arguments to deflect away from any and all criticism.

    You're perfectly free to disagree with the criticism being put forward, though suggesting that everybody critical of the voice acting is either openly or subtly transphobic is just...utterly bizarre and disingenuous.

    Some posters are quite obviously setting the table in such a way as to turn every bit of criticism into some sort of 'gotcha' moment.

    As a gay guy I would note that one's sexuality or identity is not a shield in which to avoid criticism altogether.

    There's still quite a bit of time until Dawntrail is due to launch and there is the possibility that the character will be around longer than the base MSQ's for the expansion itself. With that in mind, this is the perfect time for feedback to be provided. Whether the development team choose to do anything with it is another matter entirely though I think it's better to relay any concerns sooner rather than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    I swear this thread wouldn't be happening (not directed at OP) if Wuk Lamat was voiced by a cis woman.
    How would anyone know from her accent that she's trans? Do you think the accent would sound better if she were cis? What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
    How would anyone know from her accent that she's trans? Do you think the accent would sound better if she were cis? What?
    Her being trans and her accent were meant to be two separate points.

    In any case I'd like to apologize for my previous post, I saw a bunch of screenshots elsewhere that were probably taken out of context. Didn't think I was playing that card, but yikes. I'm sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    Her being trans and her accent were meant to be two separate points.

    In any case I'd like to apologize for my previous post, I saw a bunch of screenshots elsewhere that were probably taken out of context. Didn't think I was playing that card, but yikes. I'm sorry.
    /gen
    No, this is the internet. You need to double down and fight to the death!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    Where was that criticism with Varsahn and a bunch of the other Thavnair characters? Why is it suddenly a problem now?
    I think that's an apples to oranges situation here.
    With Wuk Lamat, she's slated to be the next Lyse of Dawntrail. Receiving a huge amount of screentime. We're given a glimpse of her character before the expansion, which Varshan didn't have. Varshan is also a character that we grow attached to through his actions in the story before we have a chance to notice that he's an important character. (plus, this is a weak defense, but Varshan's broken accent was a bit endearing because it actually is a fake accent) If they only revealed Wuk Lamat after the expansion's launch, then there's nothing to do. No one's going to ask them to redub an entire expansion, but there's a chance the work isn't done yet, and they might be able to find someone better to record the lines before Dawntrail's final release. We heard like three lines from her before 6.55, all neutrally said. Not enough to gauge how well the voice acting is, but now she actually emotes and goes on monologues. Wuk Lamat is center stage, and wants us all to know about it. Part of it also might be the writing. I'll be honest, only one of her jokey-jokes actually landed for me.
    I don't want her to get fired exactly, I just want the best voice possible for such an integral role.

    As a final note: Why are you commenting so vehemently on the situation when you admitted to not having heard the voice acting in question?
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