Can we have an honest conversation about the Scions? Dawn Trail

[DPZ2]

I'm not sure why it took so long to occur to me that this "conflict that divides the Scions" may simply be another Stormblood scenario where circumstances demand that they split up and we'll just end up staying in southern Tural with one portion of them while the rest head north to look into whatever business is going on over there.

I'm fairly certain that I've remembered a presentation that announced that the Scions would be on both sides of what happens in Yok Tural (the southern part of the landmass we're going to, from what I can see of the maps). There may be a split after that, but I get the feeling that the conflict surrounding the throne (one of our reasons for going there in the first place) is the first major storyline with all of the Scions involved in one way or another.

There is the new main city (Tuliyollal) which is in the northern reaches of Yok Tural. There is a new zone (Urqopacha) where the giants live. There is a second new zone (Yak T'el) in Yok Tural, and a tropical zone (Kozama'uka) south of Tuliyolla. There is apparently also a desert (Shaaloani) in the northern section of Tural as a whole..

It was hinted that the two areas of the New World we encounter feel like they might belong to two different games, and that very long bridge appears to be north of Tuliyollal.

Which, if any, of the Scions we encounter after the first storyline finishes is open to wild conjecture at this point. Not enough data, at least until we get a Live Letter or two.

[Jeeqbit]

I'm not sure why it took so long to occur to me that this "conflict that divides the Scions" may simply be another Stormblood scenario where circumstances demand that they split up and we'll just end up staying in southern Tural with one portion of them while the rest head north to look into whatever business is going on over there.

That would make sense. In the trailer, Estinien is in the south and he also does not appear on the poster. The people on the poster are most likely the ones coming with us to the north, where we are definitely going.

There is apparently also a desert (Shaaloani) in the northern section of Tural as a whole..

Beyond that is Heritage Found, which is also a desert, but this time it has a bit of technology and a giant structure which leads us to Solution Nine.

It was hinted that the two areas of the New World we encounter feel like they might belong to two different games, and that very long bridge appears to be north of Tuliyollal.

I don't think I'd go as far as saying they are from different games. I think the north is in the same theme except it is deprived of vegetation and aether and that is what makes it look so different. The second desert zone gradually transitions it into technology, so it makes a lot of sense.

Which, if any, of the Scions we encounter after the first storyline finishes is open to wild conjecture at this point.

I think that the poster gives it away. The scions most likely coming with us are Urianger, Thancred and Krile.

[Lexiel]

I can't stand the Scions anymore. Everytime Y'shtola, Alisaie or Krile shows up on the screen I feel an urge to skip cutscene. However they're the main characters (effectively) of the whole narrative and given XIV is pretty much a shounen anime I don't think popular characters like Y'shtola and crew would ever go away or die, these characters are kept in by how much people like them it looks like.

I'll all up for new guys to take their place but I don't expect them to actually disband just like Y'shtola will never die even though Matoya said her condition would speed up her death. Sometimes I think the devs forgot about that.

[StarRosie]

Y'shtola will never die even though Matoya said her condition would speed up her death. Sometimes I think the devs forgot about that.

No. It was a localization/translation error. That has spiraled into...excessive amounts of misinformation. Someone else explained it in more detail, but effectively in every other translation, Matoya doesn't say anything about it shortening her life span or speeding up her death, and more that it is a strain on her aether. Not life force! Aether. So while the WoL or Urianger is going into the fight at 100% 'charge', Y'shtola is going in at 80%. She's already spending aether to see, so adding casting on top of that shortens her active time.

[Jeeqbit]

Even if it did shorten her life, unless they bring it up as a plot point, it is relative (in the sense we are unlikely to ever see it) because characters don't age hardly.

[ReynTime]

English players need to make up their damn mind about what script they want to follow. They only bring up the japanese original script when it's convenient for their argument.

[DPZ2]

English players need to make up their damn mind about what script they want to follow. They only bring up the japanese original script when it's convenient for their argument.

And yet, in this instance, it concerns what many would consider a Major Plot Point.

So, do you declare yourself disappointed if Y'shtola never dies in the 20 year run of the game because "Matoya Said", but only in the English translation?

[Lady_Silvermoon]

I can't stand the Scions anymore. Everytime Y'shtola, Alisaie or Krile shows up on the screen I feel an urge to skip cutscene. However they're the main characters (effectively) of the whole narrative and given XIV is pretty much a shounen anime I don't think popular characters like Y'shtola and crew would ever go away or die, these characters are kept in by how much people like them it looks like.

I'll all up for new guys to take their place but I don't expect them to actually disband just like Y'shtola will never die even though Matoya said her condition would speed up her death. Sometimes I think the devs forgot about that.

I took it to mean that it's bad for your health, like smoking. I wouldn't expect someone to die within five years of their first cigarette.

[NekoMataMata]

I'm not sure why it took so long to occur to me that this "conflict that divides the Scions" may simply be another Stormblood scenario where circumstances demand that they split up and we'll just end up staying in southern Tural with one portion of them while the rest head north to look into whatever business is going on over there.

Every expansion since HW has had a split quest segment at the start of the MSQ where you had 2 different routes to follow. This was supposedly to help server loads, but that's likely what's going to happen here.

Thancred and Krile will be team captains, each having a different take on the succession(they told us both characters would have interesting roles within the msq). We'll have 9-12ish quests with each group, but won't really be able to pick a side. Then we'll eventually go down the rabbit hole of realizing that there's more to the succession than what we first thought, and probably find a new world ending threat.

[ty_taurus]

I think for my part, I don’t particularly mind any one Scion or dislike them as a group, but I think we have to many “main characters.” Thinking about the trust system for a moment, we have been running with the notion of having an established group of 7 characters. When the system began, we were familiar with 5 of these characters, Ryne was there as our 6th member for Shadowbringers, and G’raha was added as a permanent member partway through and fills an important slot as the one member who can flex to any role.

Now, Estinien has replaced Ryne since we’ve left the First and seems to have stayed a member of the group while we add Krile to the roster. While there’s no hard rule that we can’t have a larger trust selection, having more and more characters to focus on creates more competition for screen time, and that may have an adverse effect on Erenville and Wuk Lamat. It’s not definitively an issue, but I think things would be a lot smoother if we had only 4 or 5 main characters following our WOL through each expansion, and gave the other spots to a rotating cast of characters unique to each future expansion. “Guest” party members if you will. I feel that would generally feel easier to manage. But we’ll ultimately need to see how DT turns out in that regard.