Random thought: Why isn't the discount from moving houses 100%?

[NanaWiloh]

100% disagree. Placard spam was more wasteful of your time than anything Blizzard has ever done, and that's saying something. You spend 12 hours sitting there not playing the actual game only to lose to someone using an autoclicker. Lottery is both far more respectful to the playerbase, and doesn't give bots an advantage. It doesn't solve all the problems we have, but its a definite improvement.

It was without question terrible. Read way to many posts of players dedicating a full day too clicking. Blowing off other activities they wanted to do. Just to lose the clicking game, and be stuck angry, tired and defeated.

[Kaiproberts]

It was without question terrible. Read way to many posts of players dedicating a full day too clicking. Blowing off other activities they wanted to do. Just to lose the clicking game, and be stuck angry, tired and defeated.

It was great if you followed the statistics for primetime and only put in a certain amount of time. The people ruining it were botters and people addicted to clicking for the entire period a house was available. Should SE have made availability statistics official knowledge? Yes. Lottery is just a boot in your face over and over and over and over... you never had to compete with 100+ people equally for a plot at a single time when placard clicking was a thing. I will gladly take that over lottery.

[NanaWiloh]

It was great if you followed the statistics for primetime and only put in a certain amount of time. The people ruining it were botters and people addicted to clicking for the entire period a house was available. Should SE have made availability statistics official knowledge? Yes. Lottery is just a boot in your face over and over and over and over... you never had to compete with 100+ people equally for a plot at a single time when placard clicking was a thing. I will gladly take that over lottery.

You hate competetion and fairness when it kills your odds..got it.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

The people ruining it were botters and people addicted to clicking for the entire period a house was available.

And considering SE can't get rid of bots, and no-lifers aren't breaking TOS, it was hopeless for anyone who didn't want to spend 12 hours not playing the game.

[Frizze]

Placard clicking wasnt that bad IF you participated the way it was intended. You see a plot? Check if you can buy. If no? Leave and come back in an hour or two to check again. And before anyone says anything, yes you could get a house this way. But is that what most people did? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And good luck telling someone theyre doing it wrong and getting them to listen.

[Reinha]

Placard clicking wasnt that bad IF you participated the way it was intended. You see a plot? Check if you can buy. If no? Leave and come back in an hour or two to check again. And before anyone says anything, yes you could get a house this way. But is that what most people did? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And good luck telling someone theyre doing it wrong and getting them to listen.

And back then price devaluation was still in place. If you checked the initial and current price for a plot you could tell if at least 24 hours had passed since the plot became available. You could look at the housing list at an aetheryte and go to a plot you knew had no remaining invisible timer because the maximum duration for the timer was 24 hours. I got a small house easily like this.

[Burmecia]

Lottery sounded plausible on paper but in reality it is completely demoralizing. Placard clicking gave someone the feeling of being in control.

The seaweed is truly always greener in somebody else's lake... :'D
What the heck are we supposed to do with "feeling of being in control"? Do you remember that anymore in 24 hours? Week?

I acquired plots under both systems. Only feeling I had in both cases was "oh, lucky me!".
I do not even care, but at this point I am about to lose my "whatever" attitude when it comes to instanced housing and lean to "just give it to these kids already, SE!"

[Jojoya]

And back then price devaluation was still in place. If you checked the initial and current price for a plot you could tell if at least 24 hours had passed since the plot became available. You could look at the housing list at an aetheryte and go to a plot you knew had no remaining invisible timer because the maximum duration for the timer was 24 hours. I got a small house easily like this.

Unfortunately that stopped being true for all NA worlds around patch 4.4 (and some like Balmung reached that point even sooner). World population and demand outstripped what little supply became available (especially when demoltion was suspended). Plots were usually sold before devaluation started and were definitely sold before they could devalue a second time. The one time past that point any NA worlds had plots devaluing was when wards 19-21 were added but limited to FC purchase only for several weeks. The day any left became available to private purchase, they all sold.

Things always go back to supply. It doesn't matter what system is in place if supply is inadequate compared to demand. There will always be a large number of players unhappy with the system.

[4clubbedace]

the point of housing is to be a sink for gil to disappear

[Jojoya]

the point of housing is to be a sink for gil to disappear

It does a poor job of it when players who are ready to spend their gil on the gil sink can't because there is nothing available to purchase. That goes for current house owners who want to relocate just as much as it does for players trying to get their first house. If the player can't buy the house, they're unlikely to be buying furnishings from the vendors as well.

If SE's primary intention for housing is to act as a gil sink, they're going about it the wrong way.